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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by vacri »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

Well, until they git rid of XUL add-ons in November/FF57, I live and die by the Tab Groups extension.

I have a group of tabs for various things in AWS, a group for various things in my build system, a group for the various Jira and Confluence things, a group for mail and google docs, a group for my company's HR requirements (timesheeting), a group for programming docs, and any one of these groups can have additional tabs for idle browsing while I'm waiting for something, and I can add additional groups if I'm on a secondary project.

The way I tend to browse is to hit a page, then load several promising links in new tabs. Load them over the network in parallel, because doing everything on one tab with back/forward is painful in the extreme.

Overall, it's ridiculously easy to hit 100 tabs.

Edit: fantastic, thanks for the suggestions. Will definitely check them out.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by jamesrcole »

robbrown451 wrote: post #122
ilaksh wrote: post #43

There are a lot of people who use tabs as bookmarks. Seems like a good way to keep the RAM industry going strong. Someone once told me (seriously) "I need at least 128 GB of RAM otherwise I can't keep my tabs open." But does everything you were interested in over the last X weeks or months really need to be loaded up? No, and if you use it like that then it can't preload stuff. I think the main lesson is that bookmar…

Couldn't agree more. Bookmarks are so poorly implemented, people use tabs instead. Which is dumb

Why is it dumb?

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo »

huntie wrote: post #189
elorant wrote: post #162

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So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

I just checked and I currently have 450+ tabs open. I closed around 100 the other day. I work on a number of projects at the same time, so I'll often have a bunch of documentation open for one project and then switch to the next one without closing everything. I also research a project and then wait a while before starting it. This helps me get a better perspective on the project. I'll often leave my research open in…

Do you have any add-ons to manage that? I don't mean to tell you how to work but that doesn't seem optimal. There is probably a better way than having over 400 tabs open.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by kuschku »

raindev wrote: post #99
outworlder wrote: post #14

I use Firefox as much as I can, for many reasons. Two things keep me from using it all the time: – Yubikey – My Chromebook (I would use and equivalent FirefoxOS if given the choice) There are performance issues in some cases but nothing major. It is still somewhat slow compared to Chrome, even though this may be due to optimizations done specifically for Chrome.

There's a plugin for U2F support[1]. I use a Yubikey at work daily without issues. 1. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/u2f-support-a...

Many sites, including Google, specifically check the UA instead of checking for U2F support, so won’t work with this.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by vacri »

zdkl wrote: post #82
awalton wrote: post #64

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I don't understand this perspective. It's similar to saying "Surely there's a better solution than having 1000 files on your file system. That sounds like a nightmare." It's not like you're actively monitoring every tab at once, you just have the knowledge ready to go and at a finger's whim. You use extensions like Tab Hunter to jump directly to the tab you care about. Yeah, you could do the same with using a bunch o…

> It's similar to saying "Surely there's a better solution than having 1000 files on your file system. That sounds like a nightmare." No, it's similar to saying "Surely there's a better solution than having 1000 radio/tv channels tuned on at once, waiting for you to decide which one is relevant" Like why not open what you need when you need it rather than squirreling all those "maybes"?

No, it's like having 1000 radio/tv channels available at once, which you can tune to any one of in a mere moment.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by smallnamespace »

hyeonwho2 wrote: post #195
elorant wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

Serious example: learning a new subfield. You start with the general article in wikipedia, trying to get a gist of the field. Cue 20 or more wiki pages for new terms and ideas. As you learn the terms, you get ideas and have to see if they have been done before. Cue up another 20~30 tabs of searches. Eventually start looking at articles. Each one has 10 figures which can be opened in new tabs for high-resolution viewi…

As usual, there's a relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/609/

From 2009, so rather ahead of the curve.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by ChoGGi » 

  I measured by eyeball, using "time cat" on the command line. This might seem weird, but c'mon - I'm measuring minutes. Microsecond precision is not required.
For anyone else doing this sort of testing; there is an extension to monitor startup speed called about:startup

https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/about-startup/

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by jamesrcole »

pavanky wrote: post #179
vocatus_gate wrote: post #163

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How??? I've never understood how people can have that many tabs open and it be useful at all. At that point the information overload is too much. I have at most 10 open, and close them as I'm done with them. Helps reduce cognitive load.

Also looking up what you want when you have dozens / hundreds of tabs open is no better than going through your history browsing history. In fact going through your browsing history may be faster because you can actually use key words to search for what you want. I have 2-3 tabs open most of the time. If I am looking something up, I go to 10-12. When I am done, it goes back down to 2-3. I can't even fathom under what…

> looking up what you want when you have dozens / hundreds of tabs open is no better than going through your history browsing history

I have heaps of tabs open, but there are orders of magnitude more pages in my browser history. The latter usually contains so much that is too much to look through to find anything but quite recent entries. The tabs still open are pages still with some relevance to me, while the history is filled with lots of incidental stuff that is no longer of use.

[Edit: also, with open tabs the page content is already there so it's more quickly accessible. This can be useful if you need to look at it to help find the page you're looking for, and to get the content from the page]

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by nnethercote »

franciscop wrote: post #127
shorlander wrote: post #17

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Should be in 56: https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2017/06/12/datetime-inputs-...

I hope it is locale-sensitive. US is the only country that uses mainly the mm/dd/yyyy. Most of the others use dd/mm/yyyy with some important exceptions (China, Japan, Korea) with yyyy/mm/dd (which happens to be the standard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country

Firefox ships ~100 localizations. (See https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/nightly/all/ for the list.) I'm pretty sure this will be handled appropriately :)

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by Vivian99 »

smallnamespace wrote: post #206
hyeonwho2 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious example: learning a new subfield. You start with the general article in wikipedia, trying to get a gist of the field. Cue 20 or more wiki pages for new terms and ideas. As you learn the terms, you get ideas and have to see if they have been done before. Cue up another 20~30 tabs of searches. Eventually start looking at articles. Each one has 10 figures which can be opened in new tabs for high-resolution viewi…

As usual, there's a relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/609/ From 2009, so rather ahead of the curve.

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