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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #29

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I've got vertical tabs from Test Pilot for months now and I'll never turn back. Not sure what you're talking about.

> Not sure what you're talking about. They changed their add-on API and are in the process of deprecating the older one which allowed for radical UI changes. That's probably what he was talking about.

Will their own test pilot addon stop working then?

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #3

I <3 you Firefox. I'm so sad that nobody uses you.

I switched back to Firefox from Chrome. I'm interested in hanging on the ride with Rust and Servo integrations (Project Quantum), and I also like how it's community based rather than with standards support and features sometimes suspiciously following some company's agenda that don't always have user needs or interests as top priorities.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I find way more productive to use bookmarks

- Archive folder: bookmark dump to keep the links just in case I ever need it again (so they pop on the search bar even after I clean my history, you can also add keywords manually if you want)

- Buffer folder: to-dos, reminders and things I to read soon™. I keep it at a maximum of 10 items at all times

- Follow up folders (plural): pages I want to check ocasionally for updates. Often used for pages without RSS. I don't like to use extensions to check for page modification because I want to do it on my own pace. This helps reducing my mental load because I know it's there if I ever need it. I often delete the entire folder if I don't feel it's useful anymore.

- The rest are folders divided by a main folder and subject. This way I can easily delete them after I'm done with that task (after a minute or after a year). Example: Programming > Project X, Programming > CSS fix for that thing.

Middle click on the folder to open everything at once. Done.

The position of the folders are crucial and also helps with muscle memory. I keep it like this: the more to the right (of the browser), the more disposable they are.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Why do you have a profile w/ 1600 tabs in it. If whatever it is is so important, aren't you afraid to lose it? I'd be terrified that one time Firefox just wouldn't shut down clean.

This isn't his main profile ( well I hope not any way ), it's a profile used to test extreme startup performance issues.

You'd be surprised. And if not that many, I know many many people with 100+ tabs. I never really understood the workflow myself. Every time I have more than 20 tabs, I generally can get to the page I'm looking for faster by googling it than having to find it in my tabs. But I guess to each their own.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #54
post #38

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This is broadly my process, too. I'll do a search, and background-open all of the results that seem responsive as I skim them, to read in depth once I think I've found "enough". Most of them of course get closed quickly upon ... uh, tabbing to them, because they weren't as material as I'd thought from the summary. Then, sometimes (read: often), I'll recurse. This way, in my experience, I tend to find more (as in quan…

I strongly suspect this depends on a) the person and how they process information, and b) the kind of research being performed. Usually when I'm researching, it's typically because I'm searching for the solution to a problem. In that case, a large quantity of information isn't useful. I just need an answer, not a survey of all possible answers. So once I find it, I can abort the search. Researching breadth-first may…

> Usually when I'm researching, it's typically because I'm searching for the solution to a problem.

I find that when I'm searching for a/any solution to a (specific) problem - "depth first" will be ok. But I'm usually searching for the best solution to a problem - and then I find that I normally have to "skim wide" - partly to figure out if I'm looking at the wrong problem (it's just a symptom of something else), and partly because something like 80% of stuff that I find online is outdated, wrong, not-well researched or all of the above.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

For Chrome, the Great Suspender plugin had fixed the resource usage for me, it's kind of like lazy loading + freezing of heavy background tabs, and it enables quick startup even with 100 tabs. But it should be a core feature of the browser itself IMHO.

A bigger problem with Chrome is that it doesn't support multiple rows of tabs. The usual reasoning is "close some tabs!" For someone who uses a monitor in portrait mode, this is painfully ridiculous.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #25

Wow. I've been getting more and more frustrated with how poorly Chrome handles even a moderately large number of tabs (~150), and it sounds like my savior is going to be ... Firefox. Huh. Wouldn't have guessed it, but I'll totally take it. I have a nice extension for Chrome called Quick Tabs that gives me a searchable list of my open tabs and makes it easy to find things I have open... anyone know which of the severa…

Not to at all dispute your use case/requirements or anything, but as a depth-first browser user, I can't even fathom a world in which 150 tabs qualifies as "moderately" large, and not "how many tabs???" large. And 1000+ (as cited by a sibling poster)? Wow! I wonder if this "I want to read this but I'll set it aside for now" model of browsing might be better served with a different UI metaphor...

The better UI metaphor IMO is tree-style tabs. It lets one organize tabs in a similar manner to a folder tree in a file explorer. It's great for research, where you'll need to repeatedly reference many different sources, and maintain a chain of how you found each source.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Out of curiosity, and because the article doesn't delve into it, why do you have 150 tabs open? In the course of my regular browsing, I usually have 3-4, and never more than 10-15. It's not something I've ever considered to have that many tabs open

In a lot of ways, my open tabs are my to-do list. Some of them are things that I need to do, some are "I want to read this article when I have time", some are long term research. I've tried doing things like bookmarking things to read later, or saving them to Evernote or Instapaper or whatever, but I never went back and actually read them. Ever. So, this workflow actually works for me, even if some people would consi…

I too use tabs as ad-hoc to-do list. In fact I have tab open right now that is open since at least 2011 as the relevant project is on kind of on back burner right now and the tab got in some way repurposed as a separator between stuff linked from HN/Twitter/FB/wherever and stuff that I explicitly searched for.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #54
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is broadly my process, too. I'll do a search, and background-open all of the results that seem responsive as I skim them, to read in depth once I think I've found "enough". Most of them of course get closed quickly upon ... uh, tabbing to them, because they weren't as material as I'd thought from the summary. Then, sometimes (read: often), I'll recurse. This way, in my experience, I tend to find more (as in quan…

I strongly suspect this depends on a) the person and how they process information, and b) the kind of research being performed. Usually when I'm researching, it's typically because I'm searching for the solution to a problem. In that case, a large quantity of information isn't useful. I just need an answer, not a survey of all possible answers. So once I find it, I can abort the search. Researching breadth-first may…

> I just need an answer, not a survey of all possible answers

For me, sometimes when I need a direct answer, none of the answers found are that direct. Sometimes I look at an answer, gauge the effort it would take to investigate if that would work (code changes, whatever) then move on to see if there's an easier answer to verify. When I run out of those options, then I want to come back to this answer and try it. Doing this it's pretty easy to get my number of tabs up pretty high!

On the other hand, for research, yes, lots of tabs are the norm.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #82

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> It's similar to saying "Surely there's a better solution than having 1000 files on your file system. That sounds like a nightmare." No, it's similar to saying "Surely there's a better solution than having 1000 radio/tv channels tuned on at once, waiting for you to decide which one is relevant" Like why not open what you need when you need it rather than squirreling all those "maybes"?

Different people are different. When researching a question without a direct answer, it's more effective for me to open up tabs as I read a page and then search the most likely candidate. Whenever I reach a dead-end I can just switch tabs as opposed to pressing the back button N times. zzalpha's comment sums it up nicely: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14824086 I know I'm a power user, but I miss how effective…

I'm a chronic tab abuser as well, often with over 100 tabs at once. 1000 tabs still sounds insane to me.
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