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Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Post by justin66 »

abawany wrote: post #53
danhak wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safety requirements. Here's a crash test between a 2015 Nissan Tsuru, the least expensive sedan sold by Nissan in Mexico, and a 2016 Nissan Versa, the least expensive sedan sold by Nissan in the United States. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85OysZ_4lp0

That was traumatizing to watch. The Tsuru looks like a 90s Nissan Sentra though that might just be appearances. It makes me sick to see the passenger compartment just plain collapse.

It's pretty much an early nineties Sentra (B13 chassis), yes. There must be some minor production improvements that snuck in there over the years, one would hope, but definitely not much.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Post by calafrax »

ensiferum wrote: post #14

Why can't take they make a car like this for the European market? Not everybody wants to spend +20k € on a car. Somehow I feel this would probably cost +10k in Europe so what gives?

Do you have used cars in Europe? The US is flooded with used cars and you can get something much better than this for $4000.

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Post by NoPiece »

Retric wrote: post #68
pwython wrote: post #37

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For those in that area that can't afford a safe, reliable car, perhaps it's a step up from a motorbike though. Not to mention, it allows for more passengers in the death trap.

Depends on top speed. If you moped never breaks 25mph then a car doing 50mph could easily be less safe. It's also much more dangerous to people around you.

The most reliable mopeds still crash and get hit. Fatalities per mile are greater bicycles and motorcycles than cars.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Post by greglindahl »

weeksie wrote: post #50
smcg wrote: post #16

One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. This is enabled by India's nearly non-existent car safety regulations. Everything has a "price".

Ahhh safety, driving, and the developing world. Ugh. I haven't tested the hypothesis but I think the switch from mopeds to cars has resulted in a huge number of traffic fatalities. This was super evident in Thailand as it's quite clear that non tuk-tuk/rickshaw or motorcycle transport is a very new thing. There's an obliviousness to the fact that they're driving thousands of pounds of steel and nobody else on the roa…

Driver's ed isn't cost-prohibitive, wages for drivers' ed instructors are relatively low compared to the price of cars, even these inexpensive cars.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Post by abawany »

krishicks wrote: post #26

Crash test results: 0 stars https://youtu.be/jePu-6TxypI Reminds me of the Tata Nano (also 0 stars): https://youtu.be/buMXtGoHHIg

Compare this to a 80s Mercedes 190: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw1GNfA_AnU . The passenger cell remains solid though the crash dummies experience injuries. I often wonder how much better the automotive market would be if solid designs remained in circulation instead of these new-old mistakes re-entering the market every time.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Post by mschuster91 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #56
mschuster91 wrote: post #41

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> One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. Still, better safety rating than a scooter, and that's the most important part (next to way better emission control, as scooters generally use nasty 2-stroke engines).

> Still, better safety rating than a scooter Is it? I mean maybe it is, I don't know, but I'm guessing you don't really know either. I can imagine that maybe a scooter could be safer than a very bad car. You can get crushed in a car, cars go faster, you've got less situational awareness. I'm not sure this is one of those things that is just obviously true.

A car at least can handle potholes etc. while an overlooked pothole, oil spill etc will bring you to fall (and likely injury) on a scooter.

Situational awareness is a thing, though - especially in extremely crowded traffic.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Post by apo »

This doesn't sound like marketplace disruption as described by Christensen.

Under his model, the marketplace disruptor attacks from the bottom. The challenging product is demonstrably, objectively worse in one or more ways than the incumbent.

If introduced into the US, the Kwid would indeed be a marketplace disruptor. But in India, where the article itself points out that relatively few cars are driven, the Kwid is a luxury item.

In this view, neither anything Tesla has offered nor the Kwid should be considered disruptive. They're both vulnerable to a determined, capable incumbent.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Post by sunbuntu »

The answer to every question is China and India. China is the worlds leading e-car economy. Who cares about a niche product that could not be sold in any other market.

China will dominate the e-car market.

Hint: They will not allow foreigns into China

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Post by Shorel »

chrisseaton wrote: post #56
mschuster91 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. Still, better safety rating than a scooter, and that's the most important part (next to way better emission control, as scooters generally use nasty 2-stroke engines).

> Still, better safety rating than a scooter Is it? I mean maybe it is, I don't know, but I'm guessing you don't really know either. I can imagine that maybe a scooter could be safer than a very bad car. You can get crushed in a car, cars go faster, you've got less situational awareness. I'm not sure this is one of those things that is just obviously true.

I drive both, and any car is much safer than the scooter.

But the scooter beats traffic jams.

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