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Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by DonaldPShimoda »

aabaker99 wrote: post #90
hellofunk wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and will replace Android as soon as a viable alternative is presented One alternative that's been around for a while you might like if you want to continue using smart mobile devices is an operating system made by Apple (not Google), called iOS (used to be called iPhone OS but it can now be used on tablets too even some music players like iPods have it). Just throwing that out there, they have a lot of similar feat…

The OP seems concerned about privacy. Apple certainly has a lot of PR activity promoting privacy of their products. But at the same time it seems so many websites, apps, companies, ISPs, etc. are hoping to track their users much more than before. Perhaps even sell profiles on their users to advertisers or other tech companies. Apple also seems to be a fairly secretive company. Their products have historically felt mo…

> Isn't Apple violating user privacy in iOS just like Android?

Doesn't seem that way. Consider the flak Apple took for standing up for users' rights with the whole Bernardino incident.

And here's a specific example I read about a while ago. When you're using Google Maps, your device is directly identifiable in Google's servers all the time by a unique identification token. When using Apple Maps, your iPhone generates a new token every ~15 minutes and uses that to report position. There is no connection between any two tokens other than location proximity, making it much more difficult to track users directly from Apple's end. (I'd give a source but I'm on mobile, but I think I read about it on Apple's website around a year ago.)

> And if they aren't, shouldn't they be, from a business perspective?

Well, if their business was selling customer data then yeah. But their business is selling cool devices with cool software. Yes, collecting all that data would make some things a lot easier — ever wonder why Siri doesn't work as well as Google Assistant for a lot of people? — but Apple appears to care about privacy and security enough that they don't engage in these tactics. And... they seem to be doing okay despite it, so I don't think they mind the hit to their piggy banks.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by reitanqild »

s73ver wrote: post #147
fixermark wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari and Chrome are using the same basic webkit rendering engine with minimal mutations from each other. Firefox's engine is different and makes many different decisions with regards to implementation detail. Since the web standards rarely constrain things like, say, time to complete a reflow step in mutating a page when a DOM element has its visibility property changed, standards-compliant browsers can make differ…

However, I do think you'd be hard pressed to claim that Google does not have the resources to test and make sure that it does work on mobile Firefox.

Heh. I trust them less and less:

Obvious problems goes unnoticed: search results page kept burning cpu if I keet it open in desktop Firefox. (Installed an extension to fix it and haven't tested lately.)

It's hard to belive this can happen without anyone caring at such a big place.

At a company that seems to be attracting the best and brightest it is really hard to belive this isn't intentional.

Then again I've been equally wrong before.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by s73ver »

mseebach wrote: post #92
endorphone wrote: post #35

A question I've always wondered -- If Google, or an employee at Google, used ML (or just classic techniques) to analyze the enormous, enormous troves of trojan horse data they have on the employees of virtually every organization across the globe, would it be illegal if they traded on that data? They could surely accurately call virtually any trend before anyone. They could see when morale at a firm drops, when hours…

IANAL, but I think they would possibly be in breach of their own privacy policy: > How we use information we collect > We use the information we collect from all of our services to provide, maintain, protect and improve them, to develop new ones, and to protect Google and our users. We also use this information to offer you tailored content – like giving you more relevant search results and ads. [...] > We will ask f…

Right. But as a nefarious employee, that's Google's problem. By the time it comes to light, I'm already off laying on a beach in a country without an extradition treaty.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by joshlemer »

pm90 wrote: post #129
libertine wrote: post #126

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I just don't get how this is considered "normal" - they create the ecosystem, let it thrive with the content users generate, and after some category/apps reach a certain interesting threshold, Google gathers all the data they have access to and use their massive distribution system to deploy their version built on the back of their userbase. I think it's dangerous, in all honesty. The same goes for Apple/Facebook/Ama…

I have mixed views about this. I see your point that its definitely an unfair advantage to Google since its the default search engine and can gather so much data. But the existing job sites (indeed, for example) have done a piss poor job so far. I guess what I'm saying is: I would have been a lot more concerned if Indeed was amazing and Google stepped in specifically to destroy it before it got too big (like MS did w…

What would you expect indeed to provide that it doesn't already?

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by stale2002 »

rb2k_ wrote: post #154
stale2002 wrote: post #134

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Linkedin isn't optimized as a physical resume. If all of the important information doesn't fit on one page, in a way that is nicely organized and looks good, then it is not a resume. Nobody should ever print out their linkedin profile and then hand it to a recruiter.

LinkedIn has a PDF export and I see plenty of exported LinkedIn profiles when doing candidate interviews. Seems to work for a lot of people.

Sure, and the PDF export produces a shitty resume.

Yes, you CAN do it, and some people indeed do, but my opinion is that this is a poor idea because the service isn't optimized for it.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by neonhomer »

hellofunk wrote: post #63
lettergram wrote: post #10

I for one, will never use a Google product again. They level of creepiness and data they have on all their users is insane. I personally have switched to DuckDuckGo, Fastmail, FireFox (the mobile browser is awesome btw), and will replace Android as soon as a viable alternative is presented. Smooth sailing. The problem with Google, is they are building a repository for themselves, but also for government. Couple that…

> and will replace Android as soon as a viable alternative is presented One alternative that's been around for a while you might like if you want to continue using smart mobile devices is an operating system made by Apple (not Google), called iOS (used to be called iPhone OS but it can now be used on tablets too even some music players like iPods have it). Just throwing that out there, they have a lot of similar feat…

The only sad things I use more Google products on my iPhone than Apple ones, notably Google Photos and Chrome. I'd never switch though as I have never had a pleasant experience using Android.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by Clubber »

inetsee wrote: post #128

What I'd really like to see is a database of information about employers that's not readily available until you become an employee, like non-compete agreements, intellectual property assignments, etc. If you've quit your job, sold your house / given up your apartment, moved all your stuff to a new city, then on your first day at your new job they hand you a stack of documents to sign including some (like non-compete…

Glassdoor.com is about the closest to that. At least you can get a high level feel on whether the company is a dumpster fire or not.

So the trick with that idea, and I think it's a valuable one, is how to monetize it. Companies that do recruiting are paid by the companies. Who would pay the companies that work for the developer / contractor?

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by mseebach »

s73ver wrote: post #173
mseebach wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but I think they would possibly be in breach of their own privacy policy: > How we use information we collect > We use the information we collect from all of our services to provide, maintain, protect and improve them, to develop new ones, and to protect Google and our users. We also use this information to offer you tailored content – like giving you more relevant search results and ads. [...] > We will ask f…

Right. But as a nefarious employee, that's Google's problem. By the time it comes to light, I'm already off laying on a beach in a country without an extradition treaty.

I suspect very few individual Google employees have the unsupervised access required to pull off something like this.

Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit

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Post by ngrilly »

gomox wrote: post #164
ngrilly wrote: post #36

Seeing Google launch a SaaS product, in a specific domain mostly unrelated to its core business, is a bit worrying in terms of monopoly abuse.

I would argue that recruiting is and has always been a strategic issue at Google.

If you follow this line of thinking, Apple, Microsoft, Tesla, SpaceX, Amazon and many others will also start to compete on the hiring software market.
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