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Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#51

Post by digi_owl »

shams93 wrote: post #48

Samsung beat them at their own game, if you have an s8 with the desktop dock your phone can act like a remix os box.

Android in general really.

Once 7.0 was demoed with optionally floating windows, it was really game over for Remix and similar.

The really sad part is that if one watch the thinking from Rubin and crew around Android 3-4, it was clear that this was their goal.

But then came ChromeOS, a refocusing on that for "desktop", while Android languished in a doldrums.

Only after corporations etc firmly dismissed Chromebooks did we see a renewed interest in Android as anything more than a fancy media player.

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#52

Post by digi_owl »

mfoy_ wrote: post #37

So... Android is built on the Linux kernel... and these people were making an "Android" PC OS? How is that not essentially just another Linux distro? What exactly, was the point?

Besides the kernel, there is very little of "desktop" (or should i say GNU/Linux) present in Android.

They used Busybox (switched to Toybox at some point) for the core utils for example.

And the GUI stack is all custom to Android. No X11 etc (You can however install some APKs that allow you to run X11 programs locally. A reminder of the flexibiliy of X11, imo).

To get Android apps running on ChromeOS (based of Gentoo, iirc), both developed by Google, they had to "containerize" the Android environment.

This should be a good indication of how divergent from desktop Linux Android has become.

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#53

Post by StavrosK »

ulkesh wrote: post #26
StavrosK wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's crowdfunding itself that is absurd: You are literally pre-paying full price for a small chance that a product will actually be shipped to you. Imagine Amazon, but instead of next-day delivery you get next-year delivery and there's a 90% chance your product won't be delivered at all: That's what crowdfunding is . Traditionally, when funding a product, investors got a portion of the earnings to offset their ri…

> You are literally pre-paying full price for a small chance that a product will actually be shipped to you. Anecdotal, of course, but "small chance" for me is that I have received 28 out of 29 projects I've helped fund in roughly the time-frame outlined. Only one project did I simply waste money on (the Lunecase for iPhone). For me, that's a 96.6% success rate of crowdfunded items I've backed. The reason I crowdfund…

Maybe you're just better at due diligence than the average person (who can't really be expected to know how products get launched and what the red flags are).

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#54

Post by StavrosK »

sevensor wrote: post #40
StavrosK wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's crowdfunding itself that is absurd: You are literally pre-paying full price for a small chance that a product will actually be shipped to you. Imagine Amazon, but instead of next-day delivery you get next-year delivery and there's a 90% chance your product won't be delivered at all: That's what crowdfunding is . Traditionally, when funding a product, investors got a portion of the earnings to offset their ri…

It's an interesting comment on crowdfunding that it's now being compared to Amazon. The original buzz around the idea was that it was a way to pay people to do something that might fail. Getting a product was almost beside the point -- you were patronising creative risk-taking. I'm interested in why this idea failed. Was it the scams? The naive people who promised to deliver the impossible?

I think the problem is that it's marketed as a purchase too much. Consider the difference between:

"I want to do a crazy thing, and it might not even work. However, if you give me money, I have a chance, and I'll give you one of the things if it does end up working."

vs:

"We're making a crazy thing! Give us money now and we'll send it to you in a month."

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#55

Post by ulkesh »

StavrosK wrote: post #53
ulkesh wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are literally pre-paying full price for a small chance that a product will actually be shipped to you. Anecdotal, of course, but "small chance" for me is that I have received 28 out of 29 projects I've helped fund in roughly the time-frame outlined. Only one project did I simply waste money on (the Lunecase for iPhone). For me, that's a 96.6% success rate of crowdfunded items I've backed. The reason I crowdfund…

Maybe you're just better at due diligence than the average person (who can't really be expected to know how products get launched and what the red flags are).

I would love to think so! But sadly I've been burned on some things in the past as well (usually trusting that Amazon ships me the right item, eBay, that one item on Kickstarter, etc). I do my best to check seller reviews/ratings on typical eCommerce sites, but with Kickstarter it's more about experience of previous campaigns (like Cool Mini or Not, I trust them implicitly now).

I do agree with you, though, that crowdfunding, as a concept, is a caveat emptor situation. Sadly, as is the case in the United States anyway, caveat emptor seems to be the norm.

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#56

Post by amiga-workbench »

digi_owl wrote: post #51
shams93 wrote: post #48

Samsung beat them at their own game, if you have an s8 with the desktop dock your phone can act like a remix os box.

Android in general really. Once 7.0 was demoed with optionally floating windows, it was really game over for Remix and similar. The really sad part is that if one watch the thinking from Rubin and crew around Android 3-4, it was clear that this was their goal. But then came ChromeOS, a refocusing on that for "desktop", while Android languished in a doldrums. Only after corporations etc firmly dismissed Chromebooks di…

I thought that Remix was a doomed product the first time I'd laid eyes on it. We have seen similar attempts from other manufacturers in the past, be that Motorola's webtop, the mini apps lumped into several OEM ROMs that emulate floating windows or the third party app packages that do the same thing.

At the end of the day, Google is the only one who can viably create new modes of interaction and the new API's to support it.

OEM's can throw their own garbage together but they will typically only ever push it on a single flagship device or some quirky variant with this feature differentiating it from the horde of other models they vomit out in the space of a year. You will get the paltry in-built apps to use and perhaps the apps of one or two sponsored partners, the development community at large will not bother using the feature because they would be targeting such a tiny fraction of their users.

Android OEM's should be purely hardware companies, focusing on hardware gimmicks alone, leave the software to those who can do it properly. It's not dissimilar from ISP's gagging to be anything but a dumb pipe, inserting themselves between you and your media. It's very unwelcome.

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#57

Post by chaostheory »

kemonocode wrote: post #29

So with Remix OS being effectively canned, what other alternatives do remain for Android on x86? I do know they were leveraging the efforts of the aptly-named Android-x86 project, but I don't know to which extent they did and the state of completeness of said project.

http://www.phoenixos.com/en_US/

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#58

Post by bitmapbrother »

digi_owl wrote: post #51
shams93 wrote: post #48

Samsung beat them at their own game, if you have an s8 with the desktop dock your phone can act like a remix os box.

Android in general really. Once 7.0 was demoed with optionally floating windows, it was really game over for Remix and similar. The really sad part is that if one watch the thinking from Rubin and crew around Android 3-4, it was clear that this was their goal. But then came ChromeOS, a refocusing on that for "desktop", while Android languished in a doldrums. Only after corporations etc firmly dismissed Chromebooks di…

Corporations "firmly" dismissed Chromebooks? Where are you citing this from? If anything, the recent ransomware attacks, that basically require you to have a bitcoin wallet if you're running Windows, is probably the reason enterprises are flocking to them.

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#59

Post by bitmapbrother »

mfoy_ wrote: post #37

So... Android is built on the Linux kernel... and these people were making an "Android" PC OS? How is that not essentially just another Linux distro? What exactly, was the point?

To run Android apps that a Linux distro couldn't.

Re: Development on Remix OS and related consumer products is being discontinued

#60

Post by setr »

StavrosK wrote: post #20
majewsky wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The entire crowdfunding platform is absurdity The totality of this statement is what's absurd. There's some good stuff on Kickstarter etc., but Sturgeon's Law applies: 90% of everything is crap.

No, it's crowdfunding itself that is absurd: You are literally pre-paying full price for a small chance that a product will actually be shipped to you. Imagine Amazon, but instead of next-day delivery you get next-year delivery and there's a 90% chance your product won't be delivered at all: That's what crowdfunding is . Traditionally, when funding a product, investors got a portion of the earnings to offset their ri…

Its not just that you are a prepaying with high risk, but that what is essentially a charity is somehow treated as a legitimate business enterprise. That the community fully accepts, and even expects the producer to continue selling the product after having the entire thing funded by whatever fans. For a physical good, this can be justified, but for software...

The benefit being some 33% proce reduction, or a special in-game kickstarter item, or a forum badge, or a little physical good related to the game and production costs vastly underestimated, or some other nonsense.

That people buy into this, I don't like at all. But the arrogance, stupidity and outright malicious of the devs that make use of it is infinitely more offensive. And thats just amongst the once-respectable developers..

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