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Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by diminish »

mrtksn wrote: post #168
diminish wrote: post #163

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I haven't heard anything neither, although I tried hard to call everyone. Maybe some portion of prepaid tariff sim cards could be having it as they had some other types of ads in the past. Maybe you're right, could equally be "fake news".

Definitely not "Fake News". TRT(Turkish equivalent of BBC) reported that the stunt was organised by the BTK(Information Technologies Committee, govt. body): http://www.trthaber.com/haber/gundem/gsm-operatorlerinin-abo...

The reason I was suspicious is that your post read more like a basket case for dramatization propaganda including "total control of the communications", "wikipedia", "journalists". Between 2005-201x, When Gulenists were embedded in every institution, and our fake "liberals" were cheering - people used to be afraid to make phone calls as they were recording and posting mobile conversations by everyone on their "liberal" media. Many businessmen used to apply to them, for tweaking the judicial system.

But I guess, the BTK guy, went too far to put the 10sec celebration message of the president to celebrate the official national public holiday. Just FYI - on prepaid tariffs there's already some kind of ads by mobile operators.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by mrtksn »

diminish wrote: post #171
mrtksn wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not "Fake News". TRT(Turkish equivalent of BBC) reported that the stunt was organised by the BTK(Information Technologies Committee, govt. body): http://www.trthaber.com/haber/gundem/gsm-operatorlerinin-abo...

The reason I was suspicious is that your post read more like a basket case for dramatization propaganda including "total control of the communications", "wikipedia", "journalists". Between 2005-201x, When Gulenists were embedded in every institution, and our fake "liberals" were cheering - people used to be afraid to make phone calls as they were recording and posting mobile conversations by everyone on their "libera…

I don't want to bring the classical Turkish political debates to HN. I will briefly say that Turkey actually had really good progressive years under AKP right until they teamed with the Gulenist and begin arresting people for the Ergenekon&Balyoz. Turkey before Erdogan was also not short of imprisoned journalists and intellectuals, that's why liberals were eager to give Erdogan a chance.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by coldtea »

zo1 wrote: post #155
coldtea wrote: post #146

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> They didn't because most of the UK public supports UK being a monarchy Of course they do. After all they are indoctrinated in its favor from an early age. I don't see what rational people, starting from first principles, would agree to a bunch of do-nothings sitting in a palace, aristocrats owning huge plots of land that just got handed down to them, that aristocratic class having huge say in politics, networking t…

>" Of course they do. After all they are indoctrinated in its favor from an early age. " You could argue that for almost anything that we have in society (Religion and the State being the two most obvious ones). And yet, it intellectually doesn't phase people the slightest. "So what if we're taught that government is good and benevolent since a tender age". This is precisely because most of society does not function…

>You could argue that for almost anything that we have in society (Religion and the State being the two most obvious ones). And yet, it intellectually doesn't phase people the slightest.

Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of royalty? At best, it's about how other things people think OK and are used to from a young age are also messed up. One could use that line of logic to excuse all kind of societal issues at their time -- segregation, racism and sexism for example.

And yet, society evolved beyond those, from self principles like equality.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by coldtea »

greglindahl wrote: post #44
coldtea wrote: post #42

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Can you opt not to have a Queen and not be a subject to some royal family you never voted for or agreed to?

Yes. The UK could vote to abolish the monarchy, but they haven't. In a typical democracy, you are subject to laws that you didn't vote for or "agree to". A modern constitutional monarchy is a structure agreed to by the people.

>Yes. The UK could vote to abolish the monarchy, but they haven't.

How open is this issue for discussion? Is it acceptable for e.g. a BBC journalist to promote on camera the dismantling of royalty, if that's what they think should be done?

>A modern constitutional monarchy is a structure agreed to by the people.

Agreed when? The MPs are voted for every few years. Even the constitution can be amended and changed, for countries that have one.

Does the UK hold a referendum on the issue of keeping or abolishing royalty, at least once every generation?

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by petre »

coldtea wrote: post #173
zo1 wrote: post #155

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>" Of course they do. After all they are indoctrinated in its favor from an early age. " You could argue that for almost anything that we have in society (Religion and the State being the two most obvious ones). And yet, it intellectually doesn't phase people the slightest. "So what if we're taught that government is good and benevolent since a tender age". This is precisely because most of society does not function…

> You could argue that for almost anything that we have in society (Religion and the State being the two most obvious ones). And yet, it intellectually doesn't phase people the slightest. Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of royalty? At best, it's about how other things people think OK and are used to from a young age are also messed up. One could use that line of logic to excuse all kind of societal issues…

The commies wanted to build a society based on principles like equality but then some people turned to be more equal than others and corruption became so deeply rooted that it still plagues ex communist states today, 30 years after the fall of communism in Eastern Europe.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by coldtea »

petre wrote: post #175
coldtea wrote: post #173

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> You could argue that for almost anything that we have in society (Religion and the State being the two most obvious ones). And yet, it intellectually doesn't phase people the slightest. Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of royalty? At best, it's about how other things people think OK and are used to from a young age are also messed up. One could use that line of logic to excuse all kind of societal issues…

The commies wanted to build a society based on principles like equality but then some people turned to be more equal than others and corruption became so deeply rooted that it still plagues ex communist states today, 30 years after the fall of communism in Eastern Europe.

>The commies wanted to build a society based on principles like equality but then some people turned to be more equal than others and corruption became so deeply rooted that it still plagues ex communist states today, 30 years after the fall of communism in Eastern Europe.

So? The US also wanted to do the same (build a society based on "certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"). The French too during their revolution. As did countless other revolutions besides the "commies".

Didn't end that bad for most of them, in fact that's how the modern world was build.

Would you rather we still had Kings and Pharaohs lest "some people turn to be more equal than others"?

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by petre »

gonvaled wrote: post #65
petre wrote: post #64

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They didn't because most of the UK public supports UK being a monarchy so if anyone made such a proposition it would probably be highly unpopular. But they did vote to leave the EU for not having it their way. This decision has always been more popular, since about 60% of the UK public voted to join the EC, not the EU.

Why is having a monarchy that nobody voted to get rid of more democratic than having a president people voted for? Why is your elected president hijacking the telephone network worse than your unelected queen hijacking your tv network?

You vote for the parties in parliament. Then a government gets formed based on which party got the most votes. It's quite similar to Germany, which isn't a monarchy. However, the president of Germany is elected by Bundestag members and electors while the Queen is queen through birthright.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by TheAdamist »

pmorici wrote: post #128
AlphaWeaver wrote: post #60

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Indeed! Verizon, a carrier in the US, actually made a product out of this by allowing people to buy what they branded "Ringback Tones" which would play some song or tune when someone called your number and you hadn't picked up yet. Not sure if it's still a thing.

They are. All those Emergency numbers you call to see if school is canceled are really ringback tones. It's how many people can call at once to receive the message w/o hearing a busy tone.

I never would have thought of that but it makes sense

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by serkanh »

mrtksn wrote: post #106
sesqu wrote: post #101

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> Gulenist group did the coup attempt Has the government provided convincing evidence of this? I know Gülen was immediately accused despite not being in the country, but I don't know of any evidence of his audience being involved beyond Erdoğan not getting along with the guy, which automatically makes any opposition sympathetic to him.

AFAIK the evidence is that well known civilian Gulen affiliates were caught in military bases and armoured vehicles on the coup night but a concrete evidence of Gulen himself giving the orders do not exist. A bit like the story of the Russian military personnel in Ukraine(like everything points to Russia but Kremlin denies any involvement and claims that the caught soldiers were on a vacation in war zone). If you wan…

Author is Yildiray Ogur! He is anything but liberal. As a matter of fact his best bud(Mustafa Varank)from college is perhaps the top advisor to Erdogan. He was also the chief propagandist during Ergenekon trials which they jailed thousands od secular writers, millitary officers, journalist.

Re: Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the President on any phone call

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Post by ant6n »

lostlogin wrote: post #95
ant6n wrote: post #56

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You can't become a citizen of Canada, a country that calls itself democratic, without swearing allegiance to the queen.

The majority of Canadians became Canadian by being born there. Pretty sure the swearing wasn't coming from the new citizen.

Yes, naturally you can't "become" a Canadian citizen if you're born one.
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