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Watch I guess, Patek trumps Rolex and so on...
There's few things that make a worse first impression on me faster than someone wearing a watch as a status symbol.
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But when the elites adopt casual dress in their professional lives, what is left are much more subtle and hard-to-adopt class signifiers: manners of speaking, interests, childhood experiences, travel, etc The NYT had an article on this recently: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/opinion/how-we-are-ruinin... I took a friend with only a high school degree to lunch. Insensitively, I led her into a gourmet sandwich shop…
Sorry, and I know that this is on NYT, not you, but what the utter fuck is that paragraph about the sandwich shop? Walk through, say, Boston's North End. It's like walking into Italy. There are old men sitting in front of cafés muttering in Italian about the way the young folk dress. There are fresh pizzas and sandwiches with their smells wafting through the air. The streets are narrow, mostly pedestrian, and cobbled…
I know some people prefer money over morality and integrity, but personally, I am satisfied that these guys have to struggle to get people to work for them. In my ideal world, people would grow spines and would not work for these shady big companies.
Goldman and its ilk may be responsible for the financial crisis, but the financial crisis was painful for ordinary people because Wall Street stopped performing its function in the economy. Business ground to a halt and companies laid off workers in large part because credit dried up. If these big shady companies are immoral because of that time their operations slowed, imagine what would happen if you got your wish.
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so you are biased to hipsters who who take care to dress like it looks like they don't care, and you might be the kind of person who judges /other people/ based on how they dress.
How do you know who is taking care to appear that they don't care? Some people really don't care.
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It makes sense in the military, since as an institution it requires its individual members to have much less freedom and autonomy. But if a company needs to use technics from the military, something is wrong. Life is not war.
The military's goal is to be highly precise and effective. A business's goal is the same.
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The military's goal is to be highly precise and effective. A business's goal is the same.
The military's goal is to give a job to young men who'd otherwise be causing trouble, and to kill people when the guys in suits find it necessary
It does still remain on of the US's largest jobs programs, though I'm not sure this is the goal of the military. It does make reducing military spending rather tricky since so many livelihoods depend on it.
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How do you know who is taking care to appear that they don't care? Some people really don't care.
It takes hours of effort and a whole range of products to look like you've just got out of bed
I work from home. I don't need effort and products to look like I just woke up.
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That's something I got from my dad as well - dress for the job you want,not the one you have. I also found that dressing well fixes at least some of the age discrimination you face as a young person, you get treated much better while wearing a suit and a tie than when just wearing a t-shirt or a plain shirt.
So if you want a job at google but work at a bank, wear Hawaiian shirts and shorts? Also, over dressing can be as much of a problem as underdressing. If you came to a def interview at say Facebook in a suit, it could get awkward.
Odd, I worked at Goldman Sachs in London in approx. 1999-2001 and visited the New York office a few times and remember it being the usual "smart/casual" (veering to very casual). When did it smarten up?
I visited their NYC offices in 2008. we were talking to them about some openstack/cloud stuff at the time. I went in jeans and a polo. My contact there emailed after saying the meeting went well, but to please wear a dress shirt and no jeans next time. And I wasn't even an employee! ;)
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If Cialdini's Influence is to be believed, everyone says they don't treat people wearing (or driving) nice stuff better, but subjecting this to scientific scrutiny reveals that they overwhelmingly and significantly do . If that's true then dressing well is pretty damn rational in general, and especially if money's on the line.
But as GS just learned, if you relax the dress code, you can pay people less. so, dressing well is rational for employees, but dropping back offic dress code is rational for employers
In that situation, voluntarily following a dress code that you don't enjoy following is illogical. As illogical as taking a voluntary pay cut.