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That's sometimes a sign that you're onto something. Donald Trump was mocked mercilessly. Looks like he got the last laugh. The sandwich shop example is a little weak, but I agree with Brook's point. There is a cultural segmenting of American society into the top 20% and the rest, and it's a strong barrier to social mobility. At the college I attended, there was a clear social barrier between the kids from upper middl…
>Donald Trump was mocked mercilessly. Looks like he got the last laugh. _Is_ mocked mercilessly, and I don't think he's got the last of anything yet.
Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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Common dress absolutely drives a certain esprit de corps . The irony in my example is that the corporate code ruined the informal one we'd developed over the years (white dress shirt, fleece or vest and brown shoes with tan slacks or black shoes with light pinstripes). Before the rebellion, I could identify, on the street, our teams (and who were the interns--black suits with skinny ties, almost all of them). Afterwa…
> white dress shirt It would seem that as an American you refer to a white shirt - but what do you term that which I (as a Briton) would call a dress shirt? (Worn with evening, or the most formal of morning attire. That is, with your -ahem- tuxedo !)
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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That's something I got from my dad as well - dress for the job you want,not the one you have. I also found that dressing well fixes at least some of the age discrimination you face as a young person, you get treated much better while wearing a suit and a tie than when just wearing a t-shirt or a plain shirt.
So if you want a job at google but work at a bank, wear Hawaiian shirts and shorts? Also, over dressing can be as much of a problem as underdressing. If you came to a def interview at say Facebook in a suit, it could get awkward.
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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Goldman Sachs has always had a ridiculously antiquated dress code for people who will never come within fifty feet of a client. When I was much younger I didn't understand the concept of people who never had to deal with clients having a dress code but now I sorta do: the company is trying to create or promote the concept that everyone in the company is a member of the same team and have more in common with each othe…
If Cialdini's Influence is to be believed, everyone says they don't treat people wearing (or driving) nice stuff better, but subjecting this to scientific scrutiny reveals that they overwhelmingly and significantly do . If that's true then dressing well is pretty damn rational in general, and especially if money's on the line.
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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I tend to do the opposite. I distrust people who wear suits, especially in settings where it's not common to do so. I see it as a possible indicator that they are trying to hide their limitations. For example, people giving their talk wearing a suit at a scientific conference? Very high chance of bad science. If you do amazing research you don't need a suit to impress anyone, the ideas you present will be more than e…
>I see it as a possible indicator that they are trying to hide their limitations. Fir myself, I don't know if I see it as that, but I certainly see it as an indicator that they might be the kind of person who judges /other people/ based on how they dress. I don't care how you dress, but if you care how other people dress, I'm definitely judging you for that.
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That's the exact reason why I hate wearing and even worst ever being forced to wear one.
You can either chafe, or acknowledge reality and use it to your advantage. When I was younger, I chafed. Now, I enjoy getting seated at that restaurant table before you.
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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Goldman Sachs has always had a ridiculously antiquated dress code for people who will never come within fifty feet of a client. When I was much younger I didn't understand the concept of people who never had to deal with clients having a dress code but now I sorta do: the company is trying to create or promote the concept that everyone in the company is a member of the same team and have more in common with each othe…
Goldman Sachs, though, went so far as to have a corporate haircut.[1] Their barber finally quit out of sheer boredom. [1] https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/03/06/to-serve-wall-street...
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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Goldman Sachs has always had a ridiculously antiquated dress code for people who will never come within fifty feet of a client. When I was much younger I didn't understand the concept of people who never had to deal with clients having a dress code but now I sorta do: the company is trying to create or promote the concept that everyone in the company is a member of the same team and have more in common with each othe…
It makes sense in the military, since as an institution it requires its individual members to have much less freedom and autonomy. But if a company needs to use technics from the military, something is wrong. Life is not war.
Re: Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for talent
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So to get the tech vibe, start giving out free Goldman Sachs t-shirts and golden colored jeans to the techies. If you give it away for free, all the techies will start wearing them all the time.
I've wondered about that for signalling. Say for example there is a revered tech company in your city. Get their tshirt and people might assume you work there. Go to Meetup and more people may want to chat with you etc.
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You can either chafe, or acknowledge reality and use it to your advantage. When I was younger, I chafed. Now, I enjoy getting seated at that restaurant table before you.
When everyone is wearing a suit, how does one differentiate?