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Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by hiram112 »

fazkan wrote: post #49

and then the rise of the remote empires began. I am sure most companies will find a way to hire talent remotely. The positive side of this act would be that huge companies will start to think about hiring people remotely. Which would mean improved practices in managing remote talent. and frankly I think its overdue, the tools are the technology is there, why the do you need borders to impede your company's progress.

We've been hearing this warning forever.

The truth is, if the remote teams in low cost places like India and China worked so well, they would have long ago offshored everything.

Cause let's be honest, most companies can't even deal with remote working once or twice a week from their own employees in the same city.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

averagewall wrote: post #42
jbhatab wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you actually serious? the lower middle class support Trump because of his job focused agenda. the man says the word job more than anything. to correlate everything a president does with support of his general fan base is ridiculous. that's like saying democrats support murdering people with drones because Obama used that often. This type of logic is very divisive and dangerous.

They kind of do, don't they? The reason Obama was able to kill so many people with drones was because he was elected. His voters could have decided killing was wrong and not voted for him. He even warned people he would do drone killing while he was campaigning. Perhaps you're saying most Obama voters didn't like the drone killing but tolerated it because they liked the rest of Obama enough? That at least means they…

Voting for a candidate doesn't mean you agree with all their policies, simply that you agree more or find the bad ones less vile than the competition. This is especially true in what is essentially a two-party system.

For example, one candidate is racist and thinks segregation and separate-but-equal is the way to go towards a peaceful society. The other one supports drone strikes (or something else you find vile). Any other candidates have one similarly vile views.

Abstaining from voting to protest these views doesn't seem to be the answer for most folks, so they look at other things and pick the one they like the most. Afterwards, you can voice your concern over the things you disagree with or choose to ignore them.

This isn't dissimilar to not needing to agree with everything your friends, partner, or family says to spend time with them.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by mrdodge »

canttestthis wrote: post #18
posguy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't Capital One hiring American Citizens? If any company should be required to do so, payments related companies should be required to hire citizens.

What makes payments related companies so special?

The privacy and security concerns?

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by hiram112 »

ido wrote: post #48
oblio wrote: post #40

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That was before all the land was settled. And most likely meant for Europeans.

What matter does it make if it was originally meant at Europeans rather than Indians? People also used to consider Catholics (Irish, Italians, Polish) as not white. The US is still very sparsly populated, especially for a country with so much arable land & relatively mild climate. Ever been to the Netherlands or Belgium? They are quite lovely. Both also have a population density well in excess of 10x the US's. Lots m…

I hear this about the US all the time - open the gates, plenty of land left.

But the areas that have seen job growth in the last 20 years are highly concentrated in areas that are about as packed as most of Western Europe: LA, SF, Boston through DC, and about a dozen other massive metro areas. The vast majority of available land (from the Mississippi to the Pacific and Alaska) is uninhabitable or agricultural and without jobs.

All I know is that where I live we already have way too much traffic, lack of affordable housing, and the lowest labor participation rate in decades. So by what metric does increasing population help those of us who live here (besides companies who love cheaper labor)?

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Post by mrdodge »

eksemplar wrote: post #7

I wonder why these changes are so welcomed by low-middle skill labour. Do they simply not see the big picture of what brain drain does to the total sum of opportunities?

This country survived before H1B immigration. One could say we actually had relatively more rapid technological progress during the time in which we had the least immigration.

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Post by xfer »

tanilama wrote: post #33
mc32 wrote: post #17

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We need to take a page out of the old Russian system. Get the younger generation prepared for a STEM field to excel. The USSR did a lot of things in hamfisted ways, but one thing they did right was strengthening their STEM education and cranking out very good scientists and mathematicians. We can do that too, if we put the effort into it. Instead we crank out liberal arts kids and other low value add degrees --I mean…

To have a Russian/China system, is not really that easy. Russian/China system builds on a competitive hierarchy of exams to basically classify people into buckets according to their intelligence level. Even though it may be good on a national scale, it is indeed a cruel system to individuals. Your confidence or personality is least of this system's concern, and living a micro society where score is literally everythi…

It exists everywhere. You can't just magically get into a good school in your respective field.

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Post by int_19h »

tanilama wrote: post #33
mc32 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to take a page out of the old Russian system. Get the younger generation prepared for a STEM field to excel. The USSR did a lot of things in hamfisted ways, but one thing they did right was strengthening their STEM education and cranking out very good scientists and mathematicians. We can do that too, if we put the effort into it. Instead we crank out liberal arts kids and other low value add degrees --I mean…

To have a Russian/China system, is not really that easy. Russian/China system builds on a competitive hierarchy of exams to basically classify people into buckets according to their intelligence level. Even though it may be good on a national scale, it is indeed a cruel system to individuals. Your confidence or personality is least of this system's concern, and living a micro society where score is literally everythi…

I don't think you can conflate the Russian and the Chinese systems together. In the Russian system (at least as it was), not all students were driven to push the limits. Generally speaking, teachers would identify those with potential, and push them. But no-one told others that "low score means no future". Indeed, the system tended to segregate the aforementioned buckets - bright students would go into specialized math schools - and so different messaging could be done to students in different buckets, and their peers would be from the same bucket, as well.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by sheepmullet »

arcticbull wrote: post #10
hourislate wrote: post #3

Thank goodness. The Indian H1B folks have over run DFW. I was just told today that one of the H1B folks is going full time and the company is doing the paper work to make it happen (Green Card). It's a shame because they could have certainly hired a local person or a kid out of school but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. H1B program needs to to be done away with. It is being gamed and no l…

It's clear you've never been on the employer side of an H1 petition let alone a green card, or spoken to an immigrant before. H1s cost $6000+ and are available 4 days out of the year in April, and even then you have a 33% chance of getting one. And should you get one you can't start until the new USCIS fiscal year in October. What about that makes you think they'd rather hire a foreigner? The green card burden is yea…

You contradict yourself.

Body shops take the majority of H1Bs and we all know they game the system.

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Post by averagewall »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #52
averagewall wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They kind of do, don't they? The reason Obama was able to kill so many people with drones was because he was elected. His voters could have decided killing was wrong and not voted for him. He even warned people he would do drone killing while he was campaigning. Perhaps you're saying most Obama voters didn't like the drone killing but tolerated it because they liked the rest of Obama enough? That at least means they…

Voting for a candidate doesn't mean you agree with all their policies, simply that you agree more or find the bad ones less vile than the competition. This is especially true in what is essentially a two-party system. For example, one candidate is racist and thinks segregation and separate-but-equal is the way to go towards a peaceful society. The other one supports drone strikes (or something else you find vile). An…

That's the ridiculous thing about American voting. They don't pick the one they like the most, they do what your first paragraph said and pick the one they dislike the least out of the two major parties. The result is the same two parties doing the same things year after year, swapping places about every 8 years and making the whole exercise of voting pointless except to maintain that stable state.

So many people on HN seem to support strong climate change action, dislike drone strikes, and want massive immigration reform. But hardly anyone voted for the Green party.

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