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Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by raverbashing » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 8:45 AM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #10

hourislate wrote: post #3

Thank goodness. The Indian H1B folks have over run DFW. I was just told today that one of the H1B folks is going full time and the company is doing the paper work to make it happen (Green Card). It's a shame because they could have certainly hired a local person or a kid out of school but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. H1B program needs to to be done away with. It is being gamed and no l…

It's clear you've never been on the employer side of an H1 petition let alone a green card, or spoken to an immigrant before. H1s cost $6000+ and are available 4 days out of the year in April, and even then you have a 33% chance of getting one. And should you get one you can't start until the new USCIS fiscal year in October. What about that makes you think they'd rather hire a foreigner? The green card burden is yea…

I agree with both of you

+$6000 is nothing when you're paying, let's say 60k instead of an American that would want 90k

The H1Bs I know are good, but Infosys/TCS etc they don't care, they just apply in bulk and whoever wins the lottery gets in. Because they don't care who they're getting they just need people to fill in seats (and yes, their - these companies - quality of service is low)

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by averagewall » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 8:49 AM UTC

jbhatab wrote: post #38

eksemplar wrote: post #7

I wonder why these changes are so welcomed by low-middle skill labour. Do they simply not see the big picture of what brain drain does to the total sum of opportunities?

are you actually serious? the lower middle class support Trump because of his job focused agenda. the man says the word job more than anything. to correlate everything a president does with support of his general fan base is ridiculous. that's like saying democrats support murdering people with drones because Obama used that often. This type of logic is very divisive and dangerous.

They kind of do, don't they? The reason Obama was able to kill so many people with drones was because he was elected. His voters could have decided killing was wrong and not voted for him. He even warned people he would do drone killing while he was campaigning.

Perhaps you're saying most Obama voters didn't like the drone killing but tolerated it because they liked the rest of Obama enough? That at least means they don't mind killing too much - it's not a show stopper for them.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by ericd » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 8:57 AM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #10

hourislate wrote: post #3

Thank goodness. The Indian H1B folks have over run DFW. I was just told today that one of the H1B folks is going full time and the company is doing the paper work to make it happen (Green Card). It's a shame because they could have certainly hired a local person or a kid out of school but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. H1B program needs to to be done away with. It is being gamed and no l…

It's clear you've never been on the employer side of an H1 petition let alone a green card, or spoken to an immigrant before. H1s cost $6000+ and are available 4 days out of the year in April, and even then you have a 33% chance of getting one. And should you get one you can't start until the new USCIS fiscal year in October. What about that makes you think they'd rather hire a foreigner? The green card burden is yea…

Worked for a company that was relatively abusive to its engineers, and all but the H1-B's left. They hold a disproportionate amount of power over their H1-B employees.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by Banthum » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 9:10 AM UTC

shortsightedsid wrote: post #37

masondixon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India and China have over 1bn people. Their countries are inferior to he US in so many ways. Of course they want to come here, and if there was no cap on the number, they would drive the wages down to rock bottom. They will always be cheaper than US labor. And there are other advantages like employer loyalty because they cannot easily change job, which means employers can push them very hard and they won't quit - bec…

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent…

That was before there were billions of Africans, Indians, and Indonesians a few hours travel from the United States. Times change.

Also this part is important: "yearning to breathe free" is quite different from "yearning to establish a global Caliphate".

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 9:20 AM UTC

averagewall wrote: post #42

jbhatab wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you actually serious? the lower middle class support Trump because of his job focused agenda. the man says the word job more than anything. to correlate everything a president does with support of his general fan base is ridiculous. that's like saying democrats support murdering people with drones because Obama used that often. This type of logic is very divisive and dangerous.

They kind of do, don't they? The reason Obama was able to kill so many people with drones was because he was elected. His voters could have decided killing was wrong and not voted for him. He even warned people he would do drone killing while he was campaigning. Perhaps you're saying most Obama voters didn't like the drone killing but tolerated it because they liked the rest of Obama enough? That at least means they…

Did other candidates promised they'd end drone strikes? If not, then it would be naïve to assume other candidates wouldn't continue with the program (frankly, it would be dumb to assume that even if they promised so).

In other words, it's not that this particular issue is a discriminator between candidates.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by pizza » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 9:54 AM UTC

closeparen wrote: post #32

mc32 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to take a page out of the old Russian system. Get the younger generation prepared for a STEM field to excel. The USSR did a lot of things in hamfisted ways, but one thing they did right was strengthening their STEM education and cranking out very good scientists and mathematicians. We can do that too, if we put the effort into it. Instead we crank out liberal arts kids and other low value add degrees --I mean…

What are you talking about? There are far too many STEM graduates already. Brilliant people with PhDs from great schools often can't find living-wage work in their fields. Becoming highly educated in STEM isn't just low-value-add, it destroys value: a smart person wastes years of his life and productive capacity training for a research position he'll never get, then (optimistically) gets a programming or finance job…

We definitely need the latter more than the former. STEM employment insecurity just drives up profitability of the companies that can hire exceptional talent for less than they're worth, and same for typical employees. Same can be said for most workers today, as wages have been suppressed for a while now afaik

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by walshemj » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 10:15 AM UTC

kc10 wrote: post #16

hourislate wrote: post #3

Thank goodness. The Indian H1B folks have over run DFW. I was just told today that one of the H1B folks is going full time and the company is doing the paper work to make it happen (Green Card). It's a shame because they could have certainly hired a local person or a kid out of school but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. H1B program needs to to be done away with. It is being gamed and no l…

>I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. Totally false understanding of the H1B visa program. H1B employees are not cheap labor, in fact full-time H1B employees are paid on-par or more than American citizens. Employers are required, by law, to file the prevailing wages during labor certification before filing H1B visa. Employers hire full-time H1B visa holders for only one reason: they simply can…

That's the theory but in reality its gamed by employers and body shops additionally like racism if people perceive it discriminates against native born citizens then it is.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by ido » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 10:21 AM UTC

oblio wrote: post #40

shortsightedsid wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent…

That was before all the land was settled. And most likely meant for Europeans.

What matter does it make if it was originally meant at Europeans rather than Indians? People also used to consider Catholics (Irish, Italians, Polish) as not white.

The US is still very sparsly populated, especially for a country with so much arable land & relatively mild climate.

Ever been to the Netherlands or Belgium? They are quite lovely. Both also have a population density well in excess of 10x the US's.

Lots more people can fit in the country without negative effects.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by fazkan » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 10:21 AM UTC

and then the rise of the remote empires began.

I am sure most companies will find a way to hire talent remotely. The positive side of this act would be that huge companies will start to think about hiring people remotely. Which would mean improved practices in managing remote talent.

and frankly I think its overdue, the tools are the technology is there, why the do you need borders to impede your company's progress.

Re: Trump Administration to Slash Green Cards by 50%, Affecting H1-B/EB

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Post by ido » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 10:25 AM UTC

Banthum wrote: post #44

shortsightedsid wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent…

That was before there were billions of Africans, Indians, and Indonesians a few hours travel from the United States. Times change. Also this part is important: "yearning to breathe free" is quite different from "yearning to establish a global Caliphate".

Yearning to establish a caliphate is a boogeyman. The vast majority of immigrants to the US are not Muslim and the vast majority of Muslim immigrants are not schemeing to establish a caliphate.