The lady canceled because she tried to show up with 4 extra friends and 2 dogs. edit: 2 extra friends.
The lady approved of the extra people and dogs ahead of time for an added fee.
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Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race
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#122I know most commenters are well meaning, but the problem here is not that the owner was stupid enough to be overtly racist.
Top comments on this thread:
> Stupid of the host to act like that
> The host deserves a larger fine for her stupidity alone. She told the women who reserved straight up that she "wouldn't rent to an Asian."
> I think people should be able to discriminate for anything they want when letting others into their home whether it's a business related visit or not.
> I wonder if this whole thing really happened or was completely made up.
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#123Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does making racist comments you don't believe make you a racist? Does giving compliments you don't believe make you a nice person? I seriously don't know. I want to say yes, but maybe not? I was thinking about this in another context today. When people piss you off, many people (including myself) want to say things to them that will illicit a negative reaction. Often, offensive words seem like a good choice to accomp…
I guess I just wonder if there is a relatively easy and sure-fire way to piss people off without being offensive? I'll assume we've gone beyond the topic at hand, as I wonder who would wonder how to piss people off as an AirBnB host? :-) Frankly, I find racial insults to be cheap and unimaginative. Oh, so I'm a $RACIAL_EPITAPH? Well, can't help how I was born. Nice try, though. No points for effort, though. "Maybe yo…
Reminds me of the listing "When Insults had Class":
http://allowe.com/laughs/book/When%20Insults%20Had%20Class.h...
Some of those are pretty targeted and cut rather close...
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
I’ll take a whack at it: because in an ideal world, Ye Olde Racist Whitey’s Café would go out of business because decent white people won’t eat there, either. But we tried that experiment, and the world apparently doesn’t work that way. Which is why I support anti-discrimination laws despite being philosophically opposed to them.
It's not that the world doesn't work that way, it's that there are enough racists to keep each other in business. Market forces can't solve this problem even in theory, because if there weren't enough racists to support each other, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. We only have these laws because it's a systemic, societal problem.
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#126Stupid of the host to act like that and inexcusable, got what she deserved etc, but.... This is one sided reporting. First of all Barker accepted the booking knowing who the guest would be, from her name, profile etc. Then there were frequent polite comms where the booking was changed, renegotiated. Two extra guests were added. Then the guest asked to bring a small dog, and the host said no because they have a pitbul…
Out of curiosity, where did you get the transcripts that give you this information? Further down the thread, someone points to [1], but even that is incomplete (the final exchange is missing one side of the conversation; there's a Washington Post article that seems to have more there [2].
> Messages on the day of arrival have been withheld by the guest, but relationship broke down and became hostile, with the guest delaying arrival until 2AM-3AM. The host lost patience.
This is the part that I find most ambiguous -- notably one of the final exchanges in the video
> If you think 4 people and 2 dogs [and] getting a room [for] $50 a night on big bear mountain during the busiest weekend of the year ..... You are insanely high
It was pretty clear from the earlier messages that the extra two guests were an _additional_ $50/night -- was there an attempt to renegotiate to a total rate of $50/night?
[1] https://www.everipedia.com/tami-barker-airbnb-host/
[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/04/07/o...
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#127Stupid of the host to act like that and inexcusable, got what she deserved etc, but.... This is one sided reporting. First of all Barker accepted the booking knowing who the guest would be, from her name, profile etc. Then there were frequent polite comms where the booking was changed, renegotiated. Two extra guests were added. Then the guest asked to bring a small dog, and the host said no because they have a pitbul…
Out of curiosity, where did you get the transcripts that give you this information? Further down the thread, someone points to [1], but even that is incomplete (the final exchange is missing one side of the conversation; there's a Washington Post article that seems to have more there [2].
> Messages on the day of arrival have been withheld by the guest, but relationship broke down and became hostile, with the guest delaying arrival until 2AM-3AM. The host lost patience.
This is the part that I find most ambiguous -- notably one of the final exchanges in the video
> If you think 4 people and 2 dogs [and] getting a room [for] $50 a night on big bear mountain during the busiest weekend of the year ..... You are insanely high
It was pretty clear from the earlier messages that the extra two guests were an _additional_ $50/night -- was there an attempt to renegotiate to a total rate of $50/night?
[1] https://www.everipedia.com/tami-barker-airbnb-host/
[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/04/07/o...
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#128Stupid of the host to act like that and inexcusable, got what she deserved etc, but.... This is one sided reporting. First of all Barker accepted the booking knowing who the guest would be, from her name, profile etc. Then there were frequent polite comms where the booking was changed, renegotiated. Two extra guests were added. Then the guest asked to bring a small dog, and the host said no because they have a pitbul…
What's the other side here, that the guests are to blame for the cancellation? I would say Tami Barker's behavior makes it seem that the only thing her guests did wrong was show let their ethnicity show before they got the keys.
From reading the transcript, it seems like the decision was made to cancel the reservation for some undisclosed reason (omitted from the public transcripts), and the racial slur and Trump reference were parting shots and a reveal of an underlying prejudice rather than the direct motivation.
Assuming that the host inferred the ethnicity of the tenant from their name, that was accessible from the beginning of the interaction, and might have colored some of the reactions to the requests, but not in a directly racist way until the very end.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you. Barker got a bad deal. She made the mistake of using racial language that the media could latch onto. Anyone who objectively looks at the situation would conclude that Suh was a spoiled entitled brat who exploited this situation. It's disgusting how she used her crocodile tears to exploit the media and the people.
> Suh was a spoiled entitled brat who exploited this situation I really don't see how you conclude that. Barker approve the deal then reneged with racist language. What makes Suh entitled or spoiled? If Barker didn't like the deal she had plenty of time to cancel or just say no upfront.
No. Suh kept changing the terms of the deal.
> If Barker didn't like the deal she had plenty of time to cancel or just say no upfront.
She did cancel it. After Suh kept changing the terms. The deal was for 2 people. Then Suh added a few more people. Then added a few more dogs.
Sure, the racist language wasn't called for but Suh was in the wrong.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
All well and good, none of which is relevant to the story. What is relevant is that the host documented that she doesn’t want to rent to Asians. That’s why the host ended up paying $5K, not because the guest was a pain in the ass. Yes, if she’d just said, “you’re a pain in the ass, I’m not renting to you”, all would be well. But some people just can’t help themselves, I guess (I’m picturing the host as some letters-t…
Not wanting to rent to Asians isn't a fair housing violation. Not renting to Asians is. She did, in fact, come to a rental agreement with the Asian woman. The desire to not rent to Asians was not stated until after the agreement had been broken for a different (and valid) reason.
My understanding is that advertising or speaking about such is a violation. I'm pretty sure realtor.org[1] is a fair source of information and informed on the subject.
> Providing false information on the availability of a property for sale or rental based on a person's protected class status—even if that information is based on the owner’s desires. > Don't say: “There’s no point in your showing the Smith’s house to that Hispanic couple; the Smiths will never sell to them.”
[1] http://realtormag.realtor.org/tool-kit/fair-housing/article/...