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Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

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Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the host should be allowed to treat others that way?

While I agree they're scum, do you want to sleep in a home occupied by someone who has overwhelming hate for your race? Would you want to eat a wedding cake someone was legally forced to bake for you?

So should we go back to white only hotels? Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts?

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#82
post #2

This is crazy. I think it also explains why my rental properties have so many minority renters as my wife's picture is our profile picture(she's Asian). I think people see her picture and know instantly that they would never have to deal with this kind of shit. Whereas a picture of my shaved head might not be very reassuring. Personally, 5K seems too light a settlement considering the circumstances.

It's unfortunate that you're being downvoted, because after having some pretty bad experiences, I am now much more likely to rent a place if it's from a minority or if there are reviews from other minorities.

I realize this can come across as racist, but I just experienced too much of this crap that I no longer want to ruin a vacation over it.

I also make sure to include both my picture (I'm Asian) and my wife's (she's white) because there were it's just easier to be flat out rejected than to have to suffer through "malicious compliance." Especially now that we have kids, I really don't want to put them through that.

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#83

This is an interesting article. It makes no mention of the controversy leading up to these comments. People generally aren't racist when it comes to money. The host was triggered into a racist tirade after being informed the renter was bringing 2 extra people and 2 extra dogs. The guest informed her hosts while on route in a snowstorm. It's well within the hosts rights to declare the contractual reservation null and…

People generally aren't racist when it comes to money.

Man, where have you been the last few hundred years? The prior owners of the lunch counter at Woolworth’s in Greensboro, NC would like to have a word with you (as just one of hundreds of examples I could trot out).

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#84

This is an interesting article. It makes no mention of the controversy leading up to these comments. People generally aren't racist when it comes to money. The host was triggered into a racist tirade after being informed the renter was bringing 2 extra people and 2 extra dogs. The guest informed her hosts while on route in a snowstorm. It's well within the hosts rights to declare the contractual reservation null and…

seems disingenuous to suggest race had no part in her decision. it's not a coincidence she started getting racist in defense. if someone is spouting off the N word while beating up a black dude i seriously doubt you'd demonstrate the ignorance or audacity required to call it irrelevant. so what's the difference?

> if someone is spouting off the N word while beating up a black dude...

Actually the vibe I'm getting from OP is that he would find some way to blame the black guy.

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#85
I think people should be able to discriminate for anything they want when letting others into their home whether it's a business related visit or not.

However I think that people should be punished for explicitly commenting on protected classes in a hateful or angry manner in business related situations.

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the host should be allowed to treat others that way?

While I agree they're scum, do you want to sleep in a home occupied by someone who has overwhelming hate for your race? Would you want to eat a wedding cake someone was legally forced to bake for you?

The point of all discrimination laws is that sometimes you don't have a choice. If there was only one racist guy in America, discrimination wouldn't be illegal.

Historically, it was nearly impossible for many people to find a hotel room owned by someone without overwhelming hate for their race, which is why we have laws against acting on those beliefs. While the situation has improved, there's still enough widespread discrimination that these laws are necessary. Nobody wants to sleep in a home occupied by a racist, but they also don't want to be barred from going on vacation at all.

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#87
post #46

The lady canceled because she tried to show up with 4 extra friends and 2 dogs. edit: 2 extra friends.

The lady approved of the extra people and dogs ahead of time for an added fee.

She had approved knowing the race of the person so the reason she cancelled was definitely not racist.

I think she was just stupid enough to make those remarks and I hope she is being punished for that. Otherwise, this is wrong.

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#88

Stupid of the host to act like that and inexcusable, got what she deserved etc, but.... This is one sided reporting. First of all Barker accepted the booking knowing who the guest would be, from her name, profile etc. Then there were frequent polite comms where the booking was changed, renegotiated. Two extra guests were added. Then the guest asked to bring a small dog, and the host said no because they have a pitbul…

Hmm.. you are correct. The guest did add 2 people, then 1st dog and then 2nd dog as well. So 2 guests are now 4+2. Also, the guest kept asking if the hosts want extra payment in cash... And if the guests arrived at 2AM to collect keys (not sure what time was decided beforehand, but I have not seen so late check in times) then the hosts were well within their rights to cancel this booking...

Definitely poor behavior on guest's part but if only the host had not sent the last messages referring to "Asians"...

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#89
post #13

I do not see what forcing a class on someone like this (especially at their age) will accomplish. Does anyone really think a semester long course is going to make her go "well, gee whiz, guess I shouldn't discriminate against those Asians anymore"?

And yet, education is the best antidote to racism.

Exposure to other races, however, has the opposite effect (decreased tolerance toward other races), regardless how much education (or reeducation) an individual has undergone. [1]-[19]

Which begs the question: can we ever achieve a society that is both multicultural and welcoming to all races? All the science suggests no; we can either have our cake, or eat it. We must choose.

[1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2012....

[2] http://esr.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/4/311.short

[3] http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/93/3/1211.abstract

[4] http://cos.sagepub.com/content/53/2/120.abstract

[5] http://esr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/08/20/esr.j...

[6] http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....

[7] http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4939-1705-1_1...

[8] http://spq.sagepub.com/content/78/4/324.short

[9] http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/92/1/249

[10] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/juaf.12015/abstra...

[11] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X14...

[12] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X14...

[13] https://www.jstor.org/stable/425106?seq=1#page_scan_tab_cont...

[14] http://www.scirp.org/reference/ReferencesPapers.aspx?Referen...

[15] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912...

[16] https://www.nber.org/papers/w21079

[17] http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-wor...

[18] http://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/wps/WP201530.pdf

[19] http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/School-Choice...

Re: Airbnb host must pay $5,000 for canceling reservation based on race

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I disagree with it, yes.

Why?

I’ll take a whack at it: because in an ideal world, Ye Olde Racist Whitey’s Café would go out of business because decent white people won’t eat there, either. But we tried that experiment, and the world apparently doesn’t work that way. Which is why I support anti-discrimination laws despite being philosophically opposed to them.
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