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Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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- Shiny things are nowhere as much fun after you get them as before, even if they have some value. So yes, that Kindle or iPad or whatever will have a real use, and you will be marginally happier with it than without, but not as much as you think - You can talk yourself into (or out of) anything. The only difference between smart people and other people is that smart people do this with bigger words and more complex…

For now, you are what you do. Gonna heavily disagree with this one... This is an attitude that turns us into machines with expected outputs rather than people. We humans spend a lot of time limiting ourselves by placing labels on ourselves and limiting our perceptions by labeling others. Discard the labels. Do not try to fit a role. You might program computers, but you are not a programmer. You fly planes, but you ar…

I think you've misunderstood the comment. It isn't, "You are one single thing you've done." It's "You are what you do." If you paint, you're a painter. If you raise children, you're a parent. If you hack, you're a hacker.

They're not mutually exclusive: You might be a hacker-painter-parent. You can keep adding roles as long as you have time to do things. They're also not necessarily permanent: You can stop being a hacker if you don't like hacking anymore. But if you don't do any of those actions, you aren't any of the accompanying things.

Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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- Shiny things are nowhere as much fun after you get them as before, even if they have some value. So yes, that Kindle or iPad or whatever will have a real use, and you will be marginally happier with it than without, but not as much as you think - You can talk yourself into (or out of) anything. The only difference between smart people and other people is that smart people do this with bigger words and more complex…

> - Concentrate on your weaknesses. Make them stronger. When you get to your 30s you can work from your strengths, but there has to be some time in your life to work on shit you suck at, and for me it was when I had the most motivation, my 20s. I don't think I could disagree more. If I focused on my weaknesses, I'd still be working on my handwriting. I spent years in school trying to learn how to write legibly, and a…

Your mom was teaching you more about responsibility than anything else.

Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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Travel as much as you can, in your country and abroad. Learn to appreciate other cultures, experience deserts, jungles, frost and balmy beaches.

Try to learn at least one other language, just enough to get you by. Try to live in different places. Major cities, small towns, every environment will teach you something.

Learn to appreciate the arts.

Avoid cynicism as much as you can, it is often a mask for inexperience, apathy, and fear.

Enjoy a good argument that challenges your assumptions, be prepared to change your opinions when faced with new facts, do not seek information just from the sources that feel compatible to you, cultivate media literacy.

Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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Avoid religions or any kind of dogmatic systems. I wasted most of my 20's as a fervent, fundamentalist Christian. I don't have many regrets, but the ones I do have are a result of that. Develop your own moral sense, don't let anyone dictate that to you. Keep an open, critical mind. Whatever you take as absolute, unquestioned truth will cage you.

Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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post #221

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For now, you are what you do. Gonna heavily disagree with this one... This is an attitude that turns us into machines with expected outputs rather than people. We humans spend a lot of time limiting ourselves by placing labels on ourselves and limiting our perceptions by labeling others. Discard the labels. Do not try to fit a role. You might program computers, but you are not a programmer. You fly planes, but you ar…

I think you've misunderstood the comment. It isn't, "You are one single thing you've done." It's "You are what you do." If you paint, you're a painter. If you raise children, you're a parent. If you hack, you're a hacker. They're not mutually exclusive: You might be a hacker-painter-parent. You can keep adding roles as long as you have time to do things. They're also not necessarily permanent: You can stop being a ha…

No, I am not what I do. I do many things. If you (the general populace) must label me, just call me Xurinos. Better, call me the Xurinos that posts on HN. You use labels to conveniently understand me, but that is going to lead to mistakes and misunderstandings, broken expectations. Those are your chosen limitations.

My point is to discard the label/role from your thinking because it can lock you in place. Multiple roles suffer the same problem as singular roles in that the name has boundaries. It is harder to see where the lines blur (the shades of gray) because you have lines. Looking for the blur in the first place is a sign that you have accepted an arbitrary label with its connotations and are trying to climb your way out of that casting.

This is an example of where the language itself limits you. You hack, so you are a hacker. But "hacker" does not just mean "one who hacks". It might also make you think of Jolt. :)

The danger is when you start to mold your identity to fit in with the group that shares that label. Do you own a t-shirt that talks about your love of hackerdom? "10 kinds of people understand binary"? If you make it part of who you are, then you will find it more difficult to change.

There are several kinds of situations where this identity labeling makes someone feel trapped or slows them down. If you have never intimately known or been yourself suicidal (and managed to recover from it), for example, you would see that part of the problem is an inability to change, a clinging to the past, to an identity. Others and I were trying to eliminate that identity. We had to change in order to continue living. A similar problem exists for job loss.

Another way to look at this is to consider your choices. When your choices conflict with your identity, you have run into one of those labeling conflicts.

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A couple things from this forty-year old: 1. If you want to have kids, do it sooner rather than later. The sooner you have them, the better: they grow up so fast, you'll still have time in your 40's to enjoy life with them as teenagers, if you're lucky. If you leave it too late, you'll be pretty disconnected from their teen lives, and hell .. what 40-year old doesn't enjoy the odd jaunt with their teenage kids, eh? I…

> 3. Save. Save, save, save. 10% of your money saved on a regular basis now is a huge relief in the future. I wish I'd enforced this on myself a bit better in the 20's .. you simply cannot avoid the fact that if you save during your most productive years, your least productive years will be better off for it .. I just got my first a few months ago and opted to save more than 20% of my gross income (tax-free, you pay…

One step further: if you get a raise, take all of the associated money and save it. The standard of living you're used to will stay the same.

Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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I'm not saying it's not handy. It's great to be good at a lot of things. My point is just that some people learn certain subjects faster than they learn other subjects. my thought is that if it takes the same effort to learn a little in an area where you are bad as to learn a lot in an area where you are good, and you have a limited amount of effort to apply, you are better off applying that effort to the area where…

I'd say that is VERY situational. If the area you're bad at is, for an extreme example, 'managing to complete tasks you start', and something you're good at is 'eating Cheetos really quickly', then you can see where it would make sense to reinforce the bad before bothering to work on the good, just because it's easier.

You have a good point. some skills are more monitizable than others, and some skills are almost required for your other skills to be useful.

I'm actually one of those people who has had a hard time 'managing to complete tasks you start' (and while i still have that problem sometimes, I think i have accomplished more than the average bear.) - now, I do fight that directly some; you are right, it's too much in the way of everything else for me to ignore it because it's hard, like handwriting. They make some /really effective/ drugs for that these days, amongst other things, but as for 'hacks' to avoid that weakness? becoming a SysAdmin is one. If you can perform well in emergency situations, where you /can't/ drop things on the floor, lots of half-finished projects get forgiven. (and really, in SysAdmin work, if you don't take care of something when it's not an emergency, you take care of it when it /is/) I mean, it's bad to not complete things in non-emergency situations, maybe even worse than being a less productive programmer. But if you can 'hero' it out, even if that is the sub-optimal solution, you usually don't get fired for it. Management forgets that you only notice your sysadmin if he's not doing his job.

But, I find even the threat of an emergency motivates me to fix things, so I don't think add sysadmins need to remain in the less-useful 'hero' role forever... but being a sysadmin does mean that our failure mode usually doesn't get us fired.

If you can manage to hold down a job long enough to get some good experience, hiring other people can also be a way to get around this. I can start something and have someone else come along and clean up behind me. Also, just working with other people, I find, helps keep me on task.

but really, if I didn't have a skill that was relatively hard to find, well, for most of my life, I'd have had a hard time holding down a job at McDonalds. Nobody is going to deal with a fry cook who keeps Engineering hours.

Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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Things will start going wrong with your body in your late 30s. I wasn't expecting to be immortal, but I was expecting it to happen a bit later than that.

Don't ever move from a place that you like to a place that you don't, because circumstances will change and you will find yourself stuck there.

Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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post #134

- Shiny things are nowhere as much fun after you get them as before, even if they have some value. So yes, that Kindle or iPad or whatever will have a real use, and you will be marginally happier with it than without, but not as much as you think - You can talk yourself into (or out of) anything. The only difference between smart people and other people is that smart people do this with bigger words and more complex…

> - Concentrate on your weaknesses. Make them stronger. When you get to your 30s you can work from your strengths, but there has to be some time in your life to work on shit you suck at, and for me it was when I had the most motivation, my 20s. I don't think I could disagree more. If I focused on my weaknesses, I'd still be working on my handwriting. I spent years in school trying to learn how to write legibly, and a…

Do you have dysgraphia?? I had same and used a writer for most of my important tests and it has helped me a lot. I dont care about my handwriting and it has helped me focus on other things and have been quite successful in them.

Re: Ask HN: What were your naivetés in your twenties?

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Concentrate on your weaknesses. Make them stronger. When you get to your 30s you can work from your strengths, but there has to be some time in your life to work on shit you suck at, and for me it was when I had the most motivation, my 20s. I don't think I could disagree more. If I focused on my weaknesses, I'd still be working on my handwriting. I spent years in school trying to learn how to write legibly, and a…

Your mom was teaching you more about responsibility than anything else.

I understand that was the intent. The problem is that it teaches rote work, which is quite a bit less useful than triage and delegation, I think, when it comes to general 'responsibility'

I /always/ will have more tasks that i want done than I have time. I need to decide what tasks I drop on the floor[1], what tasks i delegate to others, and what tasks I do myself.

[1]dropping tasks gracefully is a /huge/ part of being 'responsible.' part of this needs to be thought out ahead of time. Don't promise things you later are going to drop on the floor. If you must drop something on the floor that someone else is expecting (and you will need to do this, sometimes.) you need to notify them as soon as possible.

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