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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by EdSharkey »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #320
EdSharkey wrote: post #87

I don't understand the logic of ISP's throttling certain sites based on the traffic to those sites. As a consumer on ISP's last mile lines, I make a series of TCP requests and I expect responses. Fill my pipes with those responses as best you can and charge me for the privilege. If you're not making enough money on that, charge me more for the bandwidth. Market-wise, why would an ISP anything else than fill my pipe w…

>If you're not making enough money on that, charge me more for the bandwidth. There's no such thing as "enough" money, only "more" and "less". Holding last-mile delivery of Netflix's content hostage for a ransom payment gives the ISP more money. So if they can do that, they will.

A functional market with non-cronyistic regulation can go a long way towards figuring out what to charge and how much is "enough". (I know, dream on...)

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redy wrote: post #299
wwweston wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article you're citing appears to support the point it seems like you're trying to contradict -- it describes a system where the president is given explicit authority at every stage. There are opportunities for others to dissuade him, but he has every freedom to disregard them, and they have absolutely nothing in the way of legal power to stop him. The only check currently seems to be people disobeying his orders,…

Mutiny is likely. American officers in particular will tend not to follow orders to commit an obvious war crime. This isn't an extralegal check , it's very much legal. But the system will fail if "the whole chain is stupid." This is why it's so dangerous to have a President obsessed with loyalty.

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Post by zeratax »

bobcallme wrote: post #32

"Net Neutrality" in its final form did not solve or fix any problems with the Internet. The definition of "Net Neutrality" is poorly defined, too vague and does not have any proposed legislation attached to "fix" things. Even when new rules were implemented, ISPs still throttled torrents and manipulated traffic. The only way to fix the Internet is to do so from a technical perspective, not by adding more regulations…

Some great blogposts about exactly this: https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/654-FC...

https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/665-Oh...

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Post by zer0tonin »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #334
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #221

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It's going to happen. It's not question of if, but when. If a corporation succeeds in building General AI with enough hooks into basic infrastructure, and a loyal enough employee base, then they will have a more powerful weapon than any nuclear bomb. They can then build their own drone army that no conventional military could stand up against.

First of all, General AI is science fiction and there's no detailed theory to suggest it is even possible, beyond hand wavy neuron/transistor-count models. All evidence so far suggests a human-like gestation/development is necessary, and such a development would negate any advantage such an AI would have over traditional human cyborgs. Second, what about an AI would give them an advantage over cyborgs in building dro…

> there's no detailed theory to suggest it is even possible

Not much that suggests it's impossible either.

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Post by hackerkid »

studentrob wrote: post #328
joeyspn wrote: post #314

Elon Musk to the rescue... (again) https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14952904/elon-musk-spacex...

I'm skeptical this wouldn't end up being like Mark's plan to give free "internet" access to India, where "the internet" is selected websites. Anyway I kind of doubt Musk's plan comes to fruition before more threats to Net Neutrality come up. Right now we need to address it at a policy level. New ways of accessing internet won't prevent people from trying to monopolize and control it.

> free "internet" access to India, where "the internet" is selected websites.

Did you confuse India with China?

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Post by ekianjo »

greggman wrote: post #380
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #355

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I was just describing the official process. Having spent 14 years in the military I can tell you that it's more complex than just that. The entire point of the US command and control system is to guarantee that the President and only the President is capable of authorizing nuclear war whenever he needs to. Yes, legally and formally. Informally though, as I said, it won't go down like that, especially if it's not comp…

this is not my understanding. there is no such checking because in a real threat the president only has about 7 minutes until the enemies nukes fall from subs off the coast. to be a credible deterrent it has to be assumed he can order the launch in less time than that. if verification of unambiguous threat takes more time than that then the enemy can just nuke us confident we'll all be dead before our pres can get hi…

who cares about launching on 7 minutes when nuke subs can strike anyway at any time even after the attack ?

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Post by chumali »

archgoon wrote: post #302
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #212

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To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted I can tell you for certain that there are dozens of safeguards. That scenario not only isn't possible, it's not plausible. Yes the President has the "codes" but those codes don't launch the missiles [1]. The scenario described is one in which there are literally nuclear warheads on a ballistic t…

I'm afraid that you have misunderstood the Bloomberg article. Nothing in it is about checking the power of the president (it says itself the president determines when to end the meetings and whether to ignore advice). It is all about verifying that The President has issued the order, and then ensuring that order is carried out. The President is contacted in this scenario simply because he's the only one who can actua…

From a game theory perspective the aim of the administration is going to be to make the threat of instant retaliation seem credible to any outside observer therefore preserving the effectiveness of nuclear weapons as a deterrent.

In practice however I'd certainly be surprised to learn that there were absolutely zero checks on the process as suggested in the article.

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Post by lmm »

ekianjo wrote: post #416
greggman wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is not my understanding. there is no such checking because in a real threat the president only has about 7 minutes until the enemies nukes fall from subs off the coast. to be a credible deterrent it has to be assumed he can order the launch in less time than that. if verification of unambiguous threat takes more time than that then the enemy can just nuke us confident we'll all be dead before our pres can get hi…

who cares about launching on 7 minutes when nuke subs can strike anyway at any time even after the attack ?

But who would you give command authority for that? Here in the UK, where we wouldn't even have 7 minutes in the event of an attack from Russia, we rely on exactly that strategy (possibly - the contents of the prime minister's "letters of last resort" to our submarine captains are secret and destroyed unopened when a PM leaves office) - but the flipside is that individual submarine captains have both the authority and the means to launch nuclear weapons without requiring approval from anywhere further up the chain.

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Post by ekianjo »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #324
avar wrote: post #230

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Radiolab did an episode recently[1] which disagrees with that Bloomberg article. They interview ex-Secretary of Defense William Perry asking him what controls there are, if any, on a crazy president just willy-nilly deciding to nuke something. He says there's absolutely none, even if the president is in a room full of people who vehemently disagree with him he alone makes the call to launch. 1. http://www.radiolab.or…

Yes yes, but... The President can make the call to launch and everyone in the room can ignore him, arrest him, tape his mouth shut. Or just shoot him. Edit: fixed a word

Many people were morally opposed to nuking Japan in ww2 yet the president still went ahead and issued the order. Not sure what you expect from the military, they are formatted to follow orders.

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Post by ekianjo »

valuearb wrote: post #307
seiferteric wrote: post #187

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There would be no time. He literally has a phone on the desk that he can launch all the nukes in a few minutes notice, and NOBODY can stop him without illegally refusing to follow orders (hope to god they would obviously) but assuming everything works as designed the world would end.

For the US military its not illegal to refuse to follow an illegal order. The US Marines have this drilled into them, not sure about the other services.

How is an order from the chief of the military ever considered illegal?
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