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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by mattnewton »

wmf wrote: post #201
dragonwriter wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Net neutrality regulations were adopted to protect (and in some degree restore) the net neutrality condition ; the internet was largely neutral from its inception; though by the early 00s threats to neutrality in practice were becoming clear, and the FCC began discussion the issue, adopting open internet principles that it first attempted to promote via case-by-case action (which was limited by the courts), then Titl…

One thing I've wondered is why ISPs turned evil after so many years of voluntary net neutrality.

Isps started competing with the companies they provided service to- YouTube and Netflix vs cable subscription, Verizon and its web properites, etc.

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Post by seiferteric »

valuearb wrote: post #307
seiferteric wrote: post #187

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There would be no time. He literally has a phone on the desk that he can launch all the nukes in a few minutes notice, and NOBODY can stop him without illegally refusing to follow orders (hope to god they would obviously) but assuming everything works as designed the world would end.

For the US military its not illegal to refuse to follow an illegal order. The US Marines have this drilled into them, not sure about the other services.

Sure, but you may have next to no information in that little amount of time to make the determination. For all you would know sitting at the terminal, that Russian/Chinese ICBMs were on their way. There was a Radiolab episode about this recently. It's tough to become one of the officers in this position and are heavily selected for those that would act unquestionably on orders. Any hint of questioning orders/superiors/the system gets you kicked out. This was done so that there would be no question in our rivals minds of our intent to follow through with the MAD doctrine.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by unityByFreedom »

wmf wrote: post #215
peterashford wrote: post #188

As a New Zealander, I find it extraordinarily inappropriate that global infrastructure like the Internet is being shaped by the whims of US politics and corporate culture. The Internet is a global network of global concern and it should be above the manoeuvring of Republicans and American Internet providers

Are there any examples of this happening?

Sure,

https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-vio...

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Post by noobermin »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #126
ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

This is exactly what I thought. Went to reddit.com...where's the Net Neutrality protest? Oh I just realized they made their logo a gif that looks like it loads slow...and they made a post... Went to google.com...the doodle is unrelated and I saw nothing about net neutrality on the site... Went to mozilla.org and I see absolutely nothing about it. I feel like I must be missing something here. Hackernews...looks the sa…

Actually, twitter trending a hashtag on it is pretty good given that is their core product. The rest, yes I agree.

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Post by dingo_bat »

komali2 wrote: post #80
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

> cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter?

Are you serious? That would cause actual people to die. And Twitter will end up with a huge lawsuit.

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Post by dingo_bat »

nine_k wrote: post #315
hoorayimhelping wrote: post #306

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Workflow: 1. I pay an ISP to provide me with internet service 2. Google cuts off services from my ISP I've already paid. 3. I call my ISP and say "google told me to complain to you," they say, "thank you for your feedback." 4. I look for a competitor. There aren't any, or the competitors don't suit my needs. Which is why this problem happens in the first place. If I could go to a competitor, I would. This is the key…

For the technically literate, three letters: VPN. Unfortunately, they (we) are a minority. Also, it's double expense, especially if you do something like Netflix.

Also VPNs can be blocked easily. Look at China.

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Post by dingo_bat »

reitanqild wrote: post #147
notriddle wrote: post #141

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Didn't they already basically kill Internet Explorer this way?

Yes. And they are trying to kill every other browser as well :-/ At this point I dislike chrome for exactly the same reasons I disliked IE: it is not good enough for me [0] and its sheer dominance makes web creators lazy and triggers bean counters to skimp on cross browser compatibility checks. But this time they could actually use it for good. [0]: yep. You would hear the same thing back then: You are the only one w…

Yes, I've been using edge. Every single Google page has a top bar bullshitting me about how awesome the page will look on Chrome. I dismiss the bar, it comes back in a day. On all Google websites.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by newintellectual »

Support Car Neutrality!

Imagine if you could get cars with bigger engines with more power and had to pay to do so.

Imagine if you could get cars built with higher quality generally and had to pay to do so.

And of course countless other differentiating characteristics.

Obviously, if everyone can't have a bigger engine or higher quality or whatever, then nobody should. Everyone should have exactly the same cars and it should be illegal to make them otherwise just because some people can choose to pay more!

Why? Because better hurts our feelings. Why should those able and willing to pay more, get more?

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Post by dingo_bat »

nawgszy wrote: post #162
reitanqild wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And they are trying to kill every other browser as well :-/ At this point I dislike chrome for exactly the same reasons I disliked IE: it is not good enough for me [0] and its sheer dominance makes web creators lazy and triggers bean counters to skimp on cross browser compatibility checks. But this time they could actually use it for good. [0]: yep. You would hear the same thing back then: You are the only one w…

>it is not good enough for me Well, I am curious: what makes other browsers better for you? The other day I posed this question in a thread, and the main answer was "a good feeling inside". Then the news that Mozilla forces you into being tracked by Google Analytics comes out, and that good feeling is gone, so what's your use case?

I like edge because it uses less ram and uses less battery. I can run my VM without swapping like crazy and my laptop lasts almost twice as long on battery.

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Post by zaphar »

dingo_bat wrote: post #345
komali2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

> cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? Are you serious? That would cause actual people to die. And Twitter will end up with a huge lawsuit.

In that scenario a lawsuit would be the least of Twitter's problems. Best case scenario could easily be a treason charge.
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