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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by bluetwo »

omgitstom wrote: post #98
rtx wrote: post #7

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1IzN9tst28

I love how Ajit keeps saying 'it does not happen' where traffic is limited or blocked. It was limited, we saw this by Comcast with Netflix back in 2014. This is what we are getting ready to get back into. I do not want to have an internet where the ISP can hold me (the consumer) hostage to other companies to increase the ISPs bottom line. It isn't a good experience for the consumer, it isn't a good experience for pro…

Verizon FIOS and Netflix at the same time, too.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by nothrabannosir »

Bakary wrote: post #167
komali2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

Technically, the US President holds the power to end life on Earth should he so desire. To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted. Even Comcast's power seems rather pitiful in comparison.

He would have to avoid triggering the 25th:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

I.e. he must convince the Vice President et al. that ending all human life on Earth is a good idea.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by kuldeep_kap »

drdaeman wrote: post #112
kuldeep_kap wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Net neutrality is about getting exactly what you pay for. For example if you pay for 100MBps connection you should get 100Mbps regardless of any site you access. You don't want your ISP to decide that Netflix would stream on 20Mbps and Comcast would stream at 100Mbps. This gives us unfair advantages to certain sites which is beyond your control. Worse yet ISP can police which sites you can visit which not with absenc…

> if you pay for 100MBps connection you should get 100Mbps regardless of any site you access I'm sorry, but the Internets just don't work that way. The only way to get guaranteed 100Mbps when crossing a few AS borders', is to have bandwidth SLAs all the way. Which is - as far as I understand it (could be mistaken) - about the opposite of what Net Neutrality proponents seem to stand for. ISPs can guarantee (or, at lea…

Thats what I am referring to - the certain quality of service and especially no throttling part of it. Of course technically no one can guarantee certain speed, but they can try to hinder it intentionally.

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Post by imcrs »

komali2 wrote: post #143
adventured wrote: post #120

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> the private sector has amassed quite a lot of power that could overstep / bypass the government entirely I understand and that's a fantasy at best, which was my point. The US Government is radically more powerful than any corporation inside of its domain. It's not even remotely close. They're more powerful than every corporation in the US combined. The moment they send federal agents to shut down Google HQ (even if…

But that's exactly my point - the US government has the kinds of enforcement power that deals with sending in troops to kick down doors and lock people in steel cages. Google has the kind of power that staves off that from even happening in the first place. The US government isn't a singular entity, it is comprised of several hundred individually powerful people. Three branches, plus several military branches, each w…

After issuing their threat, and getting "no" back, they would say -- "We do not negotiate with terrorists" and go in with the guns. Collateral damage be damned.

That's how wars happen, and why it's a bad idea to make ultimatums to the US government.

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Post by cdubzzz »

nawgszy wrote: post #162
reitanqild wrote: post #147

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Yes. And they are trying to kill every other browser as well :-/ At this point I dislike chrome for exactly the same reasons I disliked IE: it is not good enough for me [0] and its sheer dominance makes web creators lazy and triggers bean counters to skimp on cross browser compatibility checks. But this time they could actually use it for good. [0]: yep. You would hear the same thing back then: You are the only one w…

>it is not good enough for me Well, I am curious: what makes other browsers better for you? The other day I posed this question in a thread, and the main answer was "a good feeling inside". Then the news that Mozilla forces you into being tracked by Google Analytics comes out, and that good feeling is gone, so what's your use case?

Here's one for ya - I can (and do) run my own account [0] and sync [1] server for Firefox.

[0] https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run...

[1] https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run...

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by seiferteric »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #182
Bakary wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, the US President holds the power to end life on Earth should he so desire. To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted. Even Comcast's power seems rather pitiful in comparison.

He would have to avoid triggering the 25th: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice Pre…

There would be no time. He literally has a phone on the desk that he can launch all the nukes in a few minutes notice, and NOBODY can stop him without illegally refusing to follow orders (hope to god they would obviously) but assuming everything works as designed the world would end.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by peterashford »

As a New Zealander, I find it extraordinarily inappropriate that global infrastructure like the Internet is being shaped by the whims of US politics and corporate culture. The Internet is a global network of global concern and it should be above the manoeuvring of Republicans and American Internet providers

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by mattferderer »

komali2 wrote: post #178
Bakary wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, the US President holds the power to end life on Earth should he so desire. To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted. Even Comcast's power seems rather pitiful in comparison.

True, something absolutely needs to be done about that. The only failsafe is a US soldier illegally disobeying orders. Actually, most soldiers that have a key would need to disobey orders, because it wouldn't take too many nukes to end life as we prefer it on earth.

Hopefully the soldier is like Stanislav Petrov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
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