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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by mirekrusin »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Yes, it would cost them a lot, billions probably, as it would be unconstitutional action. They would be forced to close the shop if they continued.

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It could however work if they throttle priority isp traffic to counterbalance.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by HugoDaniel »

aidenn0 wrote: post #54
HugoDaniel wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the FCC chairman does not know the difference between a circuit switching network (telephone) and a packet switching network (internet). He then insists in using it as the base example for his argumentation against net neutrality...

Much of the telephone network is also packet switched these days anyways.

Precisely. These "things" don't come out of the air. They have a history and there is a reason why they behave like they do. Trying to argue that the internet should be like the [insert old behaviour here: cable tv, telephone, etc...] is ignoring the story as a whole and trying to push the argument for the wrong reasons.

Here is a fallacy, but feel free to look into others: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

edited: added explanation

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by likelynew »

mnm1 wrote: post #13

Sorry Google (and FB, Amazon, etc.) this doesn't actually count as taking action. Not even a single link on their home page. An obscure post on a blog won't do shit. Let's stop pretending that you want net neutrality, Google, et al. Day of action my fucking ass.

Yeah. Unless the CEO of the companies does not come out naked in the street shouting pro net neutrality comments, it does not count.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by jacksnipe »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Now that Google (or rather, Alphabet) is also an ISP, wouldn't they get in a lot of trouble for this? Seems anti-competitive.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by jacksnipe »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Now that Google (or rather, Alphabet) is also an ISP, wouldn't they get in a lot of trouble for this? Seems anti-competitive.

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Post by gervase »

dragonwriter wrote: post #43
code777777 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need a new term and perhaps a visceral, easily understandable metaphor. Common Joe just doesn't get it or know what we're talking about. He instantly gets "death panel" or "fake news." But net neutrality sounds like something fuzzy almost benign.

“Open Internet” is good, and is what the FCC policy focus has always been labelled.

The biggest problem with terms with a positive connotation is that both sides will claim them.

For example, Comcast will simply say "we support Open Internet" with the implication that "Open" in this context means "We can do whatever we want with our own lines.", i.e. complete corporate freedom. This deliberately promotes confusion, and then whoever has the most money wins.

In my opinion, the biggest problem is that this topic is relatively more technical than most people are used to understanding, which makes it very difficult to convey the various ramifications without over-simplifying.

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Post by [deleted] »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

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Post by elorant »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

So if you're a customer of said companies tied with a long-term contract you'd be caught in the middle and fucked up beyond recognition. How on earth would something like that make things better?

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Post by mod »

dang wrote: post #37
throwawaycuz wrote: post #15

Serious question, could someone please educate me. 1) How is Net Neutrality different from a slippery slope to communism? 2) During the President Obama years, my ISP in the U.S. offered 3 different tiers of service at 3 different prices. How is that pure "net neutrality"? (this was similar to the situation where in the U.S., rich lefty-liberals don't send their kids to public schools... but want poor conservatives to…

We've banned this account for starting ideological flamewars. If you keep doing this it will eventually get your main account banned as well.

Out of curiosity, what would banning the main account do?

I guess I understand if the threat of losing it is the impetus to behave well.

I have to imagine it would just drive the user to create more throwaways, though.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by jeena »

jacksnipe wrote: post #30
throwawaycuz wrote: post #15

Serious question, could someone please educate me. 1) How is Net Neutrality different from a slippery slope to communism? 2) During the President Obama years, my ISP in the U.S. offered 3 different tiers of service at 3 different prices. How is that pure "net neutrality"? (this was similar to the situation where in the U.S., rich lefty-liberals don't send their kids to public schools... but want poor conservatives to…

1) I suppose you could consider this "towards communism" in the sense that it takes power from individuals and gives it to "the people" (i.e., the government). However, it seems no different than utility regulation to me, and the slope certainly doesn't seem slippery (a slippery slope argument only works if each successive step begets the next one). 2) In the situation you laid out, the speed you're paying for is the…

Comunism is about giving power to the people but it is not about giving power to the government, in fact in Comunism there is no state anymore, at least that's how Marx and Engels envisioned it.
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