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Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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Post by bluGill »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #222
chongli wrote: post #182

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Almost anything works with eager learners. They learn in spite of the bad teaching methods. They are the best candidates to be autodidacts.

We're discussing university lectures? If so why are there any non-eager learners?

Today it is considered expected to have a degree, but most students do not really understand why, and will not understand until it is too late. They are not motivated, but they know "dad" expects them to get the degree so they slog on learning just enough to get by.

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Post by bluGill »

izacus wrote: post #67
ThrustVectoring wrote: post #59

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia There's a very specific part of the brain responsible for the movement planning and fine motor control required for writing. Some folks have it underdeveloped, and need to spend an inordinate amount of effort and concentration in order to write. And even then, their writing will often degrade over time as they fatigue.

Oook, but is that the case with the OP or is it an excuse? Handwriting does require a bit of practice (children usually do it for a few years to get good).

I can say that in my case my 6th grade teacher started paying close attention and noticed that when I was trying my hardest to be neat I was doing like my peer at their worst. He had the school counselors do some tests which didn't result in anything other that agreement that I have an inability to write neat.

I first head about Dysgraphia 10 right here though - the symptoms a familiar enough for a self-diagnosis, but as all self-diagnosis there might be something else.

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Post by bitJericho »

Bakary wrote: post #204
bitJericho wrote: post #14

The schools are so messed up in the US. Best to just educate children yourself as best you can. As for college kids, best to travel abroad.

If kids fail to learn social skills and how to deal with society, they will pay a steep price once they reach adulthood.

So you're saying raising stupid, uneducated kids that have learned to be bullied or be bullies, are better off than smart, educated, properly socialized children?

You're part of the problem.

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Post by [deleted] »

stephengillie wrote: post #195
watwut wrote: post #194

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On the other hand, it is cool when people who are not perfect and does not have iron super awesome self control get advice how to max life. The underlying idea that non perfect people should just forget it is wrong. Moreover, school has also classes one hates and student need to finish those too. They don't cancel out entertaining classes.

If you don't want to use the internet, then don't. Feel free to use other tools to help yourself not use that tool.

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Post by robotresearcher »

robotresearcher wrote: post #171
izacus wrote: post #149

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As claimed by US publication using their own US biases for ranking :)

It's a British publication. Choose any other well-regarded ranking and you'll get similar results.

E.g. The Shanghai AWRU index 2015 has 15 US schools in the top 20.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/news/shanghai-r...

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Post by Bakary »

bitJericho wrote: post #233
Bakary wrote: post #204

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If kids fail to learn social skills and how to deal with society, they will pay a steep price once they reach adulthood.

So you're saying raising stupid, uneducated kids that have learned to be bullied or be bullies, are better off than smart, educated, properly socialized children? You're part of the problem.

That's not at all what I am saying and you know it. It's also a gross misrepresentation of both home-schooling and standard school life.

Re: Students Are Better Off Without a Laptop in the Classroom

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Post by bitJericho »

Bakary wrote: post #236
bitJericho wrote: post #233

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So you're saying raising stupid, uneducated kids that have learned to be bullied or be bullies, are better off than smart, educated, properly socialized children? You're part of the problem.

That's not at all what I am saying and you know it. It's also a gross misrepresentation of both home-schooling and standard school life.

Is that so? How many messed up home schooled kids do you know then?

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Post by krath94 »

anonymfus wrote: post #227
throwawayjava wrote: post #128

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> I realize my experience is anecdotal FWIW I'm not totally convinced that the paper isn't also anecdotal. They selected for people who would agree to have their internet activity spied on in exchange for extra credit, and then from that group selected only for people using the internet -- not their computers, but the internet! -- in more than half the lectures. And did all of this in a large enrollment undergraduate…

These processes are called a self-selection bias and a sampling bias. Please don't use the word "anecdotal" in such contexts.

Please don't tell someone what words they are allowed to use in what contexts.

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Post by [deleted] »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #222
chongli wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost anything works with eager learners. They learn in spite of the bad teaching methods. They are the best candidates to be autodidacts.

We're discussing university lectures? If so why are there any non-eager learners?

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Post by bllguo »

krath94 wrote: post #238
anonymfus wrote: post #227

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These processes are called a self-selection bias and a sampling bias. Please don't use the word "anecdotal" in such contexts.

Please don't tell someone what words they are allowed to use in what contexts.

1. "Please don't" is hardly offensive or authoritative. 2. If you disagree, you were laughably hypocritical in your post.
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