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DPS will give you nice and beautifully encrypted payloads. Now what? Emulating a standard browser TLS handshake is a no-brainer.
The handshake is only one of the many giveaways of a VPN connection. A single HTTPS connection has a certain normal pattern of traffic that is very different from a VPN connection. VPN connections often persist, with bursts of activity as pages are loaded. Even if you repeatedly put up and tear down the VPN connection, you're exchanging large amounts of traffic with a single IP address, which is not typical of normal…
China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
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Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
thanks for giving me that information... Well, I noticed there had been a pattern for my multiple posts on this topic that, for several times, each time when a post was downvoted, it was double downvoted... So either it was a very synchronized move by several independent minds, or more likely, it was from a same mind who operates several accounts... Edit 1: I personally would not mind at all that any of my posts has…
> So either it was a very synchronized move by several independent minds, or more likely, it was from a same mind who operates several accounts... The latter seems unlikely. You can't downvote until you've accumulated 500 karma (might even be higher now). That means that in order for someone you replied to downvote you twice, they'd need two separate 500+ karma accounts in addition to their main account (which they w…
> That's a lot of work just to be petty in
> the case someone online disagrees with you.
But for the reason that I stated in my previous two posts, I feel I have some reason to doubt this could be an act of information manipulation from personnel funded by the Chinese government especially for that purpose...For instance, some of those manipulations are described in,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
and
https://gking.harvard.edu/files/gking/files/50c.pdf
and if there were indeed government resources behind this, multiple accounts that each has 500 karma points are nothing...
Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Slaves did not build the pyramids: http://harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids-ht...
touché... I did not know that before...thanks for sharing... But the whole point is about a fair income distribution in a society... If you think that as a Pharaoh, without contributing much to a society but could still get all the best things -- including the pyramids -- provided by the people in the country, by telling them that his ruling is god's will -- which does not seem to hold much truth in it...I just feel…
First thing first, I didn't downvote you or anyone else - because I simply don't have enough karma to downvote anyone. Please check my public profile before pointing fingers, that would be a much more civilised move.
I was educated in the west, with PhD from the top ranking university. I spent 12 years living in your society and do understand where you came from. The problem is you seem to be forcing your definition of freedom onto many people. You can value your free speech, your democratic system etc etc, I'd perfectly happy to respect that. However, it it seems that you refuse to even acknowledge the cultural differences widely observed. To give you a quick hint, majority vote is the preferred way in the west, but apparently Chinese and many Asian cultures value more on consensus based on compromises.
Your arguments on "propaganda and censorship" are quite rude because you are basically arguing that Chinese living in China can not figure out what is truth and what is propaganda, you are basically suggesting that Chinese as a population of 1.4B can be easily manipulated. It is also extremely funny that someone who has never ever lived in China for long term is now jumping up and down lecturing people how bad is the situation in China. Tell me how this is not the definition of arrogance!
Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like it or not, the GFW helped to created the "most dramatic periods of economic development" in Chinese history. Back in 2010, when Google chose to exit China, many argued the exact same that China is isolating itself from the outside. Such feeling is understandable from a western point of view, I mean for anyone from a western background there is simply no Internet if google/twitter/fb etc. are all unavailable. How…
Where are you in China? I just spent a week in a relatively small city in Shandong and there were so many places that were cash only. Couldn't even use card, let alone mobile.
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Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
#85So what we need is a VPN that looks like https traffic or is https forbidden in China too? Is anyone working on this? After a quick read it's apparent that even the most sophisticated defences are going to be open to the one endpoint having loads of data against it. It would need lots of different "real" IP connections and my guess peer to peer would be difficult too. Statistics and machine learning will always be go…
A few VPN providers offer this, I.e torguard's stealth VPN option.
Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
it is completely different, in the 15th Century, the Haijin policy was used to stop "barbarians" from flooding the country. there is nothing to gain from trading with the rest of the world because the country was ranked No.1 in the world in almost all metrics. today's GFW is to protect a young but fast growing industry - because the overall economy is not that strong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage The rest of the world totally did have things the Chinese wanted, silver and gold. Not much else at that stage to be fair but China was sucking precious metals from Western Eurasia for most of the first and second millenia.
I was under the impression that silver was what the chinese emperor/government imposed as a means of payment for the most sought chinese exports: tea and silk.
But the "rest of the world" (meaning mostly the UK in that time period) did have something that was "in demand" in china: opium.
It was the imbalance between imports and exports - china wasn't interested in buying/importing what europeans were selling/exporting - that prompted the uk to start smuggling opium against chinese law, thus paving the way to the opium wars.
Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
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Since well before the Olympics actually. I was in China when 9/11 happened and for a brief period of time they opened access to a large number of previously blocked foreign news sites so that people could read what was happening.
The have periodically been discussions about "opening up" in China. Fore-instance the party where split in the decision to crack down on the Falun Gong movement who also included many party members. Likewise were there some opposition to the violent crack down on Tiananmen square. Hardliners seems to win.
It is a trick, and old Chinese trick. You call out to your enemies to come for negotiations, and then kill them
Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
#88not being a network guru how easy is this? I have my VPN set to run over port 443 but I assume it would be easy to see enough of the traffic to see it's a VPN and not an HTTPS connection. I'm assuming that could be obscured in some way but then I've heard even if you can't see the contents you can generally tell it's not HTTPS by looking at the traffic patterns?
You can make it more difficult, but short of actually disconnecting China's network from the rest of the Internet entirely I don't think there's any way to completely prevent it. I had a run-in with a particularly aggressive captive portal last week that kept injecting ads into unencrypted pages (if I'm traveling on one of your vehicles, I don't want to buy tickets to travel with you ), but fortunately didn't firewal…
They do block SSH at random. Having it on port other than 22 helps some times.
Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
#89I'm headed to china next week for a few weeks. I need access to at least Gmail. Are there any suggestions here on an easy way to get around it for a VPN noob? I'm usually fine using PrivateInternetAccess but I'm sure that is blocked there.
VPNs still work; ExpressVPN gives good results. Although I usually just forward gmail to outlook for the time being and will just use that for the weeks I am there.
The thing is that they block Gmail MX from time to time. Don't use google mail for work there
Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February
#90Currently, https tunnels with replay attack protection hold strong.
UDP VPNs do fail at random right now, I guess GFW people arrived at the point when they can't do anything about obfuscated and replay attack protected endpoints other than blocking all UDP traffic at random