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China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they "talk" to the shadowsocks vpn author to > force him to stop working on the project. just some side note... the author of shadowsocks vpn is "her", a girl goes by the id "clowwindy"...

clowwindy is male. the current maintainer of shadowsocks is a female.

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Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

#43
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With China, there is a big difference between what is said, what is law and what is actually enforced. What's likely to happen is that there will be a crack down, some satisfying numbers will be shown to officials, and then everything will become back to normal soon after. There has been this kind of talk about cracking down on VPN before, and it's still available, so wait and see

I think they are getting really serious this time...

Just last year, out of the blue, Xi Jinping replaced the director of the Cyberspace Administration of China with a new guy named Xu Lin (which could be deemed as some sign that Xi Jinping really cares about the functioning of this department). Xu Lin has been staying pretty quietly during the past year, contrary to the flamboyant style of his predecessor...If someone is quiet and still able to stay in his position, especially a position that is concerned by a autocratic leader, then that usually indicates that he has been doing something concrete and not just putting up a show...

In the past, although there had been a lot of talks about regulating (not indiscriminately shutting down, but regulating) VPNs in China, but technically, they still did not have the capability of achieving that goal without shutting down many business at that time. Recently, China started to enforce new cyber security rules (and laws) which, as we could see from the following instance (see [1]), requires firms operating in China, for their communication devices and software, to:

  * have regulator backdoor 
  * use domestic encryption technology
   ...
After those measures took effect, those companies, if they are still willing to operate in China, could still do their business as long as they are willing to register with the government and let the government monitor their data...And for those data channels which the government could not monitor and figure out its content, then they could easily detect them and shut them down...

My guess is, the communist regime starts to realize that it is really important for them to control the information flow in the country in a way that is firm and concrete...And by observing their North Korean neighbor (as well as the Arabian revolts in the past decade), they understand that as long as they could control their people's mind and disrupt the natural synchronization in the society, they could have an ever lasting rule even there is another great famine or some serious crisis -- and otherwise, even if their people could enjoy a certain share of economic prosperity, the government could be overthrown sooner or later as long as there are continuous occurrences of triggering events, which would be inevitable given the practical difficulty and unscalability of managing a society of one and half billion people with a centralized administration, and given the fact that many officials in the current government are really corrupt, unscrupulous and have a fairly low respect for normal humanity (for the long dehumanization tradition of the communism) at this time...

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[1] http://knowledge.freshfields.com/zh/China/r/1514/china_intro...

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #42

I'm headed to china next week for a few weeks. I need access to at least Gmail. Are there any suggestions here on an easy way to get around it for a VPN noob? I'm usually fine using PrivateInternetAccess but I'm sure that is blocked there.

If you are working for an international company there and will be using your company's network (through VPN or a physical port), then you should be fine -- according to a friend of mine who worked in one of those companies...

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

#45

China is one black swan event away from an economic collapse and possible Arab spring. The authoritarian Chinese government is starting to have some sense of fear now. Between the 300%+ gdp/debt ratio, second real estate bubble bursting in shanghai/tier1 cities, huge spike in shadow lending, stalled stock market, complete frozen capital control, Trump's 100 day ultimatum to China regarding trade deficit, demographics…

> and possible Arab spring

I'm sure that the powers-that-be in China aren't overly scared of a failed popular uprising.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it can. By watching the size and timing of flows with 'regular HTTPS' traffic vs 'VPN HTTPS' traffic, it can be distinguished.

So write a program that emulates 'regular HTTPS' traffic patterns. On the technical side of things, I'm pretty sure the VPNs have the upper hand in this game of cat and mouse.

"Interesting - this user is downloading gigs of data from a single IP over https, and zero data from anywhere else"

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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From my experience in China, it seems that the vast majority of Chinese citizens have no idea what a VPN is and or why they would use it. Friends of mine that are Chinese citizens that study abroad in the US make extensive use of VPNs to circumvent the GFW. Every technology company that I've come across in China has invested a great deal of effort into establishing stable VPN connections. I have seen several "VPN mic…

Like it or not, the GFW helped to created the "most dramatic periods of economic development" in Chinese history. Back in 2010, when Google chose to exit China, many argued the exact same that China is isolating itself from the outside. Such feeling is understandable from a western point of view, I mean for anyone from a western background there is simply no Internet if google/twitter/fb etc. are all unavailable. How…

  > Like it or not, the GFW helped to created the "most dramatic 
  > periods of economic development" in Chinese history.
Like it or not, several thousands of years ago in ancient Egypt, slavery helped to build many great pyramids -- the "most dramatic periods of economic development" in ancient Egyptian history...

  > You don't need Google/fb/twitter etc to have 
  > booming Internet/high tech economy.
But one does need Google or duckduckgo to have a blooming mind in this age...

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #42

I'm headed to china next week for a few weeks. I need access to at least Gmail. Are there any suggestions here on an easy way to get around it for a VPN noob? I'm usually fine using PrivateInternetAccess but I'm sure that is blocked there.

VPNs still work; ExpressVPN gives good results. Although I usually just forward gmail to outlook for the time being and will just use that for the weeks I am there.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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China is one black swan event away from an economic collapse and possible Arab spring. The authoritarian Chinese government is starting to have some sense of fear now. Between the 300%+ gdp/debt ratio, second real estate bubble bursting in shanghai/tier1 cities, huge spike in shadow lending, stalled stock market, complete frozen capital control, Trump's 100 day ultimatum to China regarding trade deficit, demographics…

The preconditions of revolution exist in the UK, and most western countries. The number of active pre-conditions is quite stunning, from elite isolation to concentrated wealth to inadequate socialisation and education, to concentrated land holdings to loss of authority to repression of new technologies especially in relation to energy, to the atrophy of the public sector and spread of corruption, to media dishonesty,…

Robert David Steele has interesting things to say about OSINT, but one must take him with an entire cow lick of salt. After getting interested in his ideas and watching several interviews with him, I was very disappointed. His personal narrative is exaggerated; he advocates conspiracy theories that are popular but ridiculous; he shows a certain arrogance. He looks & quacks like an aggressive self promoter without much substance to offer.

This man has claimed to be the father of OSINT one day, and said that Pizzagate was spot-on the next. No one with a clue about how to conduct an investigation should have swallowed that.

That is all to say, I believe we are in very troubled times, but I don't believe we are on the verge of revolution.

Re: China Tells Carriers to Block Access to Personal VPNs by February

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post #28
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So write a program that emulates 'regular HTTPS' traffic patterns. On the technical side of things, I'm pretty sure the VPNs have the upper hand in this game of cat and mouse.

GFW does not just inspect traffic, it actively probes server IP:ports looking for its responses, can replay packets you sent legitimately, and can impersonate IP addr behind GFW. As in, it is not only a passive observer periodically resetting connections, it will also make its own to test the waters

I would love to see a write up about that. Got a source?
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