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Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by gaius »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #131
jerry40 wrote: post #63

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>Immediately escorting fired employees out of the building is an extremely aggressive signal, and I don't know if it gets used much outside of USA. I saw that in Moscow in 2008 (one big investment bank fired several guys from our team in 20-30 minutes in front of my eyes). It was very unusual. They did now allow a fired person to touch his computer after firing him.

My buddy was in his cubicle, then the network went down. Everybody was standing in the aisles chatting about it, milling around, and HR showed up. Read a list of names, got them in a group, escorted them out of the building. Then the network came back up. Back to work!

Years ago, I was a consultant onsite at my client, a high street bank, they were going through layoffs, my contact there had stashed a bottle of champagne and some paper cups in his desk, his plan was when they called his name, he would pour everyone a cup before going to meet his fate.

He was the only one who didn't get called... Neither of us could stop laughing...

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by gaius »

grogenaut wrote: post #134
keithpeter wrote: post #51

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"Nearly everyone spends too much of their income and saves too little for retirement/emergencies, so losing your job unexpectedly can have devastating financial consequences." UK: in larger organisations (I mean big enough to have more than say 20 employees being made redundant) there is a consultation process that lasts a month or can last up to three months depending on the number of people being made redundant. Th…

How shitty do the employees get during the consultation period?

Often there is no requirement that they come in during this period, it's one form of "gardening leave".

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by Clubber »

syshum wrote: post #110
Clubber wrote: post #56

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It's pretty paltry in the US. You can't take social security until 65 (I think it's 67 now). You get unemployment but it's administered at the state level and in most states it caps out at under $800 a month, but it's been a while. A moderate mortgage is twice that. Also, we get our health benefits from companies and not the government, so as soon as you are laid off, all your health benefits are no longer paid by th…

>>You get unemployment but it's administered at the state level and in most states it caps out at under $800 a month, but it's been a while. My state is 50% of your pay upto ~$1,500 a month, this seems to be about the average, i can find no state that under $800, the lowest is Mississippi coming in at $940 http://www.savingtoinvest.com/maximum-weekly-unemployment-be... > A moderate mortgage is twice that. That depend…

>My state is 50% of your pay upto ~$1,500 a month, this seems to be about the average, i can find no state that under $800, the lowest is Mississippi coming in at $940 http://www.savingtoinvest.com/maximum-weekly-unemployment-be....

Like I said it's been a while. Don't forget federal and state taxes get taken out, so you don't get the actual number in the bank.

>That depends on where you live, using Mississipi as an example, the average home is $113,000 with a traditional mortgage the payment would be $576 no where near the $1,600 you caim is a "moderate mortgage" In my area in the midwest the average home is closer to $150,000 however that still would not be a $1,600 mortgage That would be about a $360,000 mortgage, almost double the national average home price

Yes, you have a point. If you are a highly paid IT person and happen to have bought a really cheap house in a really low cost state. You got me. Don't forget property taxes and insurance. Also, you are assuming current interest rates and a 30 year mortgage. Not many banks refinance to unemployed people, so you're stuck with what you're stuck with.

>This has largely been disproved as a myth or as out dated thinking, that may have been the case 20 or more years ago, but I do not believe that is the case today

Got a link for that? If it's subsided, it's fairly recently.

>The US still has not gotten over it but it has not "been going full force" for 20 years, far from it. Government Intervention in the market, and various other factors masked some systemic problems, in the attempt to prevent more damage the government and other actors have simply band aided over the problems that are now a festering infection just waiting to be exposed

I was referring to outsourcing. I'm not sure what you are referring to.

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by eecc »

eecc wrote: post #55
mabbo wrote: post #15

I've never understood the ways that modern companies handle layoffs- call people into a meeting room one by one, tell them they're being let go, then escort them out of the building. It's not just that it's cold, but it builds a huge cloud of oppression for everyone else. I just watched this happen to a friend, and the guy who was sitting next to him is now saying "I could be next, better start talking to recruiters"…

I think the problem is with the ubiquity of firearms in the USA; you want to escort someone out of the building before he/she tilts and starts shooting other people, starting from the manager that just threw them under the bus...

Heh never touch the gun subject in an USA forum... it won't be taken kindly

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by eecc »

camiller wrote: post #91
eecc wrote: post #55

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I think the problem is with the ubiquity of firearms in the USA; you want to escort someone out of the building before he/she tilts and starts shooting other people, starting from the manager that just threw them under the bus...

Most US businesses prohibit employees from bringing firearms to work, usually when there is an office shooting the fired employee has returned, often days later, for his revenge. Really does not impact the day of dismissal. Edit: ...and does not happen often.

I'm no expert, but I understand you have government licenses to carry (even concealed) so how can a private entity interfere with those?

Anyhow whatever...

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by soneil »

pc86 wrote: post #53
jacobr1 wrote: post #48

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The way to make it more humane is a generous severance.

Severance just accelerates the firing process. If you've got to provide 3 months severance, you're laying people off at least 3 months sooner than you otherwise would. I'm sure there have been companies contemplating layoffs that have been able to just barely make numbers to avoid it. Not arguing against severance just saying that "well throw some money at them" doesn't necessarily make it any better.

Ours is 8 weeks pay per year worked. I’ve got a friend going through this at the moment, with 20 years under his belt.

You may not be that surprised to hear that he’s not bitter at all, and has every intention of working ‘till his last day.

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by soneil »

eecc wrote: post #156
camiller wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most US businesses prohibit employees from bringing firearms to work, usually when there is an office shooting the fired employee has returned, often days later, for his revenge. Really does not impact the day of dismissal. Edit: ...and does not happen often.

I'm no expert, but I understand you have government licenses to carry (even concealed) so how can a private entity interfere with those? Anyhow whatever...

It falls under the same umbrella as trespassing. You have permission to remain on private property within set rules.

From a legal point of view, it’s no different to “no shirt no service”.

(yes, even with a permit. I have a government-issued license to operate a couple of classes of motor vehicle. You're perfectly entitled to forbid me from doing so on your property.)

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by ryandrake »

soneil wrote: post #158
eecc wrote: post #156

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I'm no expert, but I understand you have government licenses to carry (even concealed) so how can a private entity interfere with those? Anyhow whatever...

It falls under the same umbrella as trespassing. You have permission to remain on private property within set rules. From a legal point of view, it’s no different to “no shirt no service”. (yes, even with a permit. I have a government-issued license to operate a couple of classes of motor vehicle. You're perfectly entitled to forbid me from doing so on your property.)

I once worked at a place where a few of the guys organized an informal "bring your gun to work day" each week, where we'd go target shooting after work. Well at some point corporate got wind of it and, of course, freaked out and banned it. We had enough people who objected to the ban to make a stink of it (I hesitate to say we were "up in arms over it"), and eventually after negotiation we agreed to keep everything locked up in our cars in the parking lot.

Re: Indian IT, “You're Fired”

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Post by fellellor »

tempForaReply13 wrote: post #39
fellellor wrote: post #33

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I don't know if this is your intention, but it is petty to blame someone, who is seeking legal employment, of conspiring to take away your jobs. The decision to use labor arbitrage was taken by managements in developed economies. The workers didn't position themselves in a way that created the arbitrage. It's silly, to say the least, when your reaction is "what did you expect would happen, when you decided to steal a…

Are you sure you're replying to the right comment? Or was the thread poster's comment edited? Your comment seems to add a little context that isn't there.

Many young people who get into IT here don't come in their first day thinking of the big picture, ie this is an outsourced position. For them it's just a job. So it's not odd for them to think their job has been further reduced. Though it may be the logical thing to think for someone who has all the context.

Also, English not being my native language, I had trouble understanding the tone of OP's comment.

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