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Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by rmoriz »

Originally, .io, .sh and .tm were operated by ICB PLC, later ICB LLC (owned by Paul Kane[1]). Just a couple of weeks ago .io and .sh changed hands to Afilias which swapped out all turning parts over a weekend. They really screwed up a lot of things including losing my balance, manipulating domain information and extortion attemps:

I was a reseller with ICB and have a contract. Without a cancellation period (which as defined in the contract) they wanted to take over the contract, introduce new contract details and probably a new pricing scheme. Around 20 pages of legal stuff and a window of I'm done with them (Afilias). I'll never ever spend a dime and advise anyone not doing any business with them.

(But also the old technology backed (which still runs .tm) is far from secure and reliable. At least it supports IPv6 whereas the Afilias infrastructure still is not IPv6 ready…)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kane_(entrepreneur)

Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by coldpie »

CydeWeys wrote: post #53
walrus01 wrote: post #13

This is a huge screwup on the part of the people who run the 'root' of .IO, and their entire operation should be severely scrutinized by ICANN. In my opinion almost all of the 'weird' TLDs which are country codes that are actually operated by a third party commercial service are 95% spam and junk registrations. .TV is a good example. Technical screwups aside, the existence of .IO and the fact that it "belongs" to the…

I'm in the TLD space (we run a fair number of gTLDs). If a gTLD operator screwed up like this then there could be consequences. A ccTLD, however, runs with very few restrictions. I don't see much of consequence happening to it as a result of this. I will, however, say that gTLDs are generally more secure and well-run than smaller ccTLDs, and are worth preferring for that reason. It's a weird historical quirk that .io…

As an average user, how do I know which is which? How can I tell whether .ABCXYZ is competently run and trustworthy?

gTLDs & ccTLDs have to be some of the worst ideas in Internet history.

Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by islanderfun »

panglott wrote: post #49
venning wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so no one is misled: "original inhabitants" does not mean "indigenous peoples" with respect to the BIOT. The islands were not populated prior to late-18th Century European colonization. The depopulation was of post-colonial people.

Why is that an important distinction? Is forcible expulsion and dispropriration more acceptable if the people were brought to the island as slaves and laborers in the mid-1700s?

For a conversation to happen, everyone should be on the same page. Distinction for the sake of clarity should always be welcomed and not confused with endorsing a specific action or behavior.

Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by gist »

walrus01 wrote: post #13

This is a huge screwup on the part of the people who run the 'root' of .IO, and their entire operation should be severely scrutinized by ICANN. In my opinion almost all of the 'weird' TLDs which are country codes that are actually operated by a third party commercial service are 95% spam and junk registrations. .TV is a good example. Technical screwups aside, the existence of .IO and the fact that it "belongs" to the…

> and their entire operation should be severely scrutinized by ICANN.

ICANN does not have 'control' in any substantive way over the ccTld's.

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cctlds-21-2012-02-25-e...

Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by paulddraper »

panglott wrote: post #49
venning wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so no one is misled: "original inhabitants" does not mean "indigenous peoples" with respect to the BIOT. The islands were not populated prior to late-18th Century European colonization. The depopulation was of post-colonial people.

Why is that an important distinction? Is forcible expulsion and dispropriration more acceptable if the people were brought to the island as slaves and laborers in the mid-1700s?

The question is NOT about the morality of deportation, but about about the legitimacy of the UK's ownership.

The only two nations that have laid claim to the territory are France and the United Kingdom. (France lost it in the Napoleonic Wars.)

Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by CydeWeys »

coldpie wrote: post #62
CydeWeys wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the TLD space (we run a fair number of gTLDs). If a gTLD operator screwed up like this then there could be consequences. A ccTLD, however, runs with very few restrictions. I don't see much of consequence happening to it as a result of this. I will, however, say that gTLDs are generally more secure and well-run than smaller ccTLDs, and are worth preferring for that reason. It's a weird historical quirk that .io…

As an average user, how do I know which is which? How can I tell whether .ABCXYZ is competently run and trustworthy? gTLDs & ccTLDs have to be some of the worst ideas in Internet history.

ccTLDs are two letters long and gTLDs are everything else.

Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by [deleted] »

andypants wrote: post #48
tedmiston wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post states that they were registered, used, then revoked.

Registered by the author. What lwansbrough means is that they weren't already registered, which means it's unlikely this was previously exploited unless the previous registrant let those domains expire afterwards.

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Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by inops »

walrus01 wrote: post #13

This is a huge screwup on the part of the people who run the 'root' of .IO, and their entire operation should be severely scrutinized by ICANN. In my opinion almost all of the 'weird' TLDs which are country codes that are actually operated by a third party commercial service are 95% spam and junk registrations. .TV is a good example. Technical screwups aside, the existence of .IO and the fact that it "belongs" to the…

yeah...yeah...and the UK seized ".UK" from the Ukraine and this means...

save your politics for politics, not for a technology discussion. We get it, you're moral.

Re: Taking control of all .io domains with a targeted registration

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Post by CydeWeys »

kuschku wrote: post #57
CydeWeys wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the TLD space (we run a fair number of gTLDs). If a gTLD operator screwed up like this then there could be consequences. A ccTLD, however, runs with very few restrictions. I don't see much of consequence happening to it as a result of this. I will, however, say that gTLDs are generally more secure and well-run than smaller ccTLDs, and are worth preferring for that reason. It's a weird historical quirk that .io…

There are a few ccTLDs that differ from that, though. DENIC and CZNIC are two that are generally very well-run, DENIC even offering better security and safety than many gTLDs (while also being a cooperative, not a commercial NIC, so prices are very low, too)

There's probably around a dozen ccTLDs that are really competently run and that are world-class. Beyond that I'd stick with competently run gTLDs.

I actually just met a bunch of the denic guys at a conference they hosted a month ago in Frankfurt. They're on point with their Internet stuff.

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