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Re: IPhone 4

#91

Post by naner »

jsz0 wrote: post #58
Chump wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He tries to emphasize that it happens in only "marginal strength areas" (see also this other post: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/29/gaywood-signal-i... ) but iPhone 4s displaying 'full bars' have been shown to suffer the problem (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmXrVNeGzs )

Without knowing more concrete information either way it's irresponsible to go too far in either direction.

I think the OPs point is that if this had been an issue with an Android phone Gruber would have jumped all over it as an example of how the phone manufacturer doesn't pay attention to detail and gets the simple things wrong.

I tend to agree on that criticism of Gruber but it isn't really worth pointing out. Everyone here already knows he is very biased and it is reflected in his writing.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by ergo98 »

[deleted] wrote: post #90
ergo98 wrote: post #82

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A less serious accusation is that Gruber now knows that his core readership consists of, essentially, the Apple faithful. He knows to pander to that crowd and that is how he gets paid. It's iPhone fans who feel that every Gruber observation about the iPhone is so critically important that it needs to be voted up on HN.

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I != the other person. It was a simple, obvious observation. In the same way that a writer for the right wing press isn't going to suddenly question conservative values.

Re: IPhone 4

#93

Post by samaparicio »

I for one am getting tired of all this undeserved attention to things that don't make a difference in anybody's lives. This iphone doesn't make anybody more productive, more empowered, more effective, less frustrated. It doesn't free up time for anybody and doesn't do anything new.

In fact, I just wrote the complete opposite of Gruber article: a comparison of the GREAT things that are unique to iPhone and to Android for startups trying to get something done.

http://www.ringio.com/2010/06/29/iphone-vs-android-getting-o...

Re: IPhone 4

#94

Post by thwarted »

blasdel wrote: post #88
thwarted wrote: post #60

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I can't use the Magic Mouse because it doesn't fit my human-sized man-hand: it has no palm support. And this strikes me as odd because how it looks should be extremely secondary: the only way to effectively use a mouse is to look at the screen not at the mouse, and even if you were to look at it, your hand is covering it up. For those reasons, I find it neither aesthetically pleasing nor a joy to use. It's unfortunat…

It has no palm support because you're not supposed to put your palm on it -- it's meant to be held by the thumb and pinkie at the sides (like the pilloried hockey-puck mouse). If it was shaped to rest your palm on it, you wouldn't be able to use any of the multitouch features without fully removing your hand first.

And I think that may be part of the problem: I didn't find that to be a comfortable position to use the mouse even for short periods of time, having to hold my fingers and palm up and not having a resting, but still moving the mouse, position. I found it extremely hard to get fine control of positioning while clicking, I'd always end up moving the mouse slightly while clicking (incidentally, I have similar issues with the touchpad on the MacBook Pro).

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by jonah »

thwarted wrote: post #60
brianwillis wrote: post #51

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Is is truly surprising how the company that took the mouse mainstream now can't make one that's simultaneously aesthetically pleasing and a joy to use.

I can't use the Magic Mouse because it doesn't fit my human-sized man-hand: it has no palm support. And this strikes me as odd because how it looks should be extremely secondary: the only way to effectively use a mouse is to look at the screen not at the mouse, and even if you were to look at it, your hand is covering it up. For those reasons, I find it neither aesthetically pleasing nor a joy to use. It's unfortunat…

http://mmfixed.com/

Destroys the aesthetics and probably the weighting, but potentially ameliorates the palm support issue.

Re: IPhone 4

#96

Post by ugh »

ergo98 wrote: post #92
[deleted] wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I != the other person. It was a simple, obvious observation. In the same way that a writer for the right wing press isn't going to suddenly question conservative values.

My bad. My memory is really failing me.

Re: IPhone 4

#97

Post by [deleted] »

blehn wrote: post #29

Apple is so good at making buttons, it’s almost enough to make one wish they made button-laden devices. Oh come on...Pro mouse, Mighty Mouse, Magic Mouse, current and previous gen macbook trackpad buttons, the previous gen desktop keyboards, iPod click-wheels, Apple Remote...these are some of the worst buttons I've used. Apple has made some decent buttons (I think the current and previous gen MBP keyboards are well m…

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Re: IPhone 4

#98

Post by albemuth »

rglullis wrote: post #20

That Apple pays so much attention to the details as to pick a different version of Helvetica for different classes of displays is emblematic of what makes the iPhone the iPhone — software and hardware that are designed in tandem as parts of a single whole. Really? On the next paragraph... There is, however, one problem with Helvetica Neue in iOS 4.0: it doesn’t include italics.(...)I can only assume this is an oversi…

If a competitor had made a mistake like that he likely would have crucified them

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by bmalicoat »

ergo98 wrote: post #76

Even though this is the Haus of Gruber (why, exactly, does everything he post get FPd here? Confirmation bias, perhaps?), I'll take my downvote suffering- >In fact, Apple seems very confident regarding everything it decided for the original 2007 iPhone Except multitasking in apps. Actually, scratch that, except apps altogether. Two major shifts in direction. Of course Gruber led into that talking about hardware. Ther…

I agree with some of what you say but I don't think you can say Apple changed on including apps. They didn't include apps from the first gen due to the huge engineering effort required to successfully support 3rd parties and have the mechanisms in place to distribute apps. Launching a v1 product and including a ton of 3rd party support for an unproven phone would have been a big gamble. Coming out with it a year later isn't waffling, it's a smart business move.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by jsz0 »

ergo98 wrote: post #76

Even though this is the Haus of Gruber (why, exactly, does everything he post get FPd here? Confirmation bias, perhaps?), I'll take my downvote suffering- >In fact, Apple seems very confident regarding everything it decided for the original 2007 iPhone Except multitasking in apps. Actually, scratch that, except apps altogether. Two major shifts in direction. Of course Gruber led into that talking about hardware. Ther…

His quote makes a lot more sense in context:

* In fact, Apple seems very confident regarding everything it decided for the original 2007 iPhone. There are no new buttons, or even moved buttons. The Retina Display is emblematic of the iPhone 4 as a whole, both hardware and software: the same fundamental idea as the original iPhone, but clarified. It hasn’t really changed so much as improved — like the same picture in increasingly sharper focus.*

Insofar as the automatic justification how does that explain his questions on the durability of the glass back? Missing italics which he urges people to bring to Apple's attention? His statement that the antenna issue is, worse case, a fatal design flaw? Seems like you're kind of spinning the article a bit to me by omission.

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