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Re: IPhone 4

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Post by chc »

elbrodeur wrote: post #22
rglullis wrote: post #20

That Apple pays so much attention to the details as to pick a different version of Helvetica for different classes of displays is emblematic of what makes the iPhone the iPhone — software and hardware that are designed in tandem as parts of a single whole. Really? On the next paragraph... There is, however, one problem with Helvetica Neue in iOS 4.0: it doesn’t include italics.(...)I can only assume this is an oversi…

As a designer, Helvetica Neue (even without italics) is a huge step in the right aesthetic direction. His original point was not so much about the font, but about the platform. He lays the groundwork, showing that the platform was higher resolution and therefore it made more sense for a font that displayed better at higher resolutions to be used. I think it's a valid point and a great critique -- how is it contradict…

The contradiction is in praising them for their attention to detail in how that made a feature and then pointing out a problem with the very same feature that can best be described as a lack of attention to detail.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by ergo98 »

ugh wrote: post #78
hristov wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By Apple of course.

That’s a rather serious accusation. Do you have any evidence which would point you that way?

A less serious accusation is that Gruber now knows that his core readership consists of, essentially, the Apple faithful. He knows to pander to that crowd and that is how he gets paid. It's iPhone fans who feel that every Gruber observation about the iPhone is so critically important that it needs to be voted up on HN.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by Lazlo_Nibble »

doron wrote: post #71

The screen is stunning. I found it annoying that Apple released the Ipad but a month before without it. It seems they could have pulled that one easy, but i guess we will see this in Ipad2, its fair business, but still kind of a dick move in my mind, I am glad i didn't get the ipad yet. I can wait for the retina enabled one. I am not an Iphone user, but I held friends 3gs and the 4 to compare, and found the smooth bl…

There is a world of difference between getting acceptable manufacturing yields on a 300ppi+ iPhone-sized screen and a similarly-dense iPad-sized screen.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by blasdel »

blehn wrote: post #56
cmelbye wrote: post #37

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The current Macbook Pro trackpad button is a dream to use, they've found the perfect amount of pressure required to click in my opinion.

It's definitely a subjective thing, but I think it just sucks. I set my machine to "tap-to-click" within a few minutes.

You and your cohorts will be among the first put up against the wall when the HCI revolution comes, especially the assholes that baked that behavior into the device firmware of some trackpads, forcing you to twiddle bits in the driver to ignore the taps (like on the OLPC XO-1).

"tap-to-click" is an abomination I wish to abolish from the face of the earth. I find it incredibly frustrating myself, but the older folks I know that already have problems with instinctively double-clicking everything are debilitated by it.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by doron »

Lazlo_Nibble wrote: post #83
doron wrote: post #71

The screen is stunning. I found it annoying that Apple released the Ipad but a month before without it. It seems they could have pulled that one easy, but i guess we will see this in Ipad2, its fair business, but still kind of a dick move in my mind, I am glad i didn't get the ipad yet. I can wait for the retina enabled one. I am not an Iphone user, but I held friends 3gs and the 4 to compare, and found the smooth bl…

There is a world of difference between getting acceptable manufacturing yields on a 300ppi+ iPhone-sized screen and a similarly-dense iPad-sized screen.

I am sure there is,but can it be done? If it is possible, then its inevitable future design iteration, and worth the wait, because i suspect it will come soon, or am I wrong?

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by jasongullickson »

My favorite line:

"No other company gives a shit about things like this."

...pretty much sums up the major difference between Apple and every other electronics company, perhaps with the exception of litl.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by ergo98 »

awa wrote: post #4

Is it only me who finds the flat sides and glass back "aesthetically" unpleasing... The 3GS looks a tad better to me than the 4 (ofcourse they aren't deal breakers, but wanted to know since Gruber seem to like them)

Apple defines beauty. Accept that as the baseline and you'll realize how exactly what was maligned before is now the new benchmark.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by blasdel »

thwarted wrote: post #60
brianwillis wrote: post #51

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Is is truly surprising how the company that took the mouse mainstream now can't make one that's simultaneously aesthetically pleasing and a joy to use.

I can't use the Magic Mouse because it doesn't fit my human-sized man-hand: it has no palm support. And this strikes me as odd because how it looks should be extremely secondary: the only way to effectively use a mouse is to look at the screen not at the mouse, and even if you were to look at it, your hand is covering it up. For those reasons, I find it neither aesthetically pleasing nor a joy to use. It's unfortunat…

It has no palm support because you're not supposed to put your palm on it -- it's meant to be held by the thumb and pinkie at the sides (like the pilloried hockey-puck mouse).

If it was shaped to rest your palm on it, you wouldn't be able to use any of the multitouch features without fully removing your hand first.

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by stratospark »

jherdman wrote: post #15

"... but I’ve had fun trying out FaceTime with a few iPhone 4-enabled friends" This sentence is absolutely delicious to my mind, specifically the use of the word "enabled". It's as if to own a device was to somehow be an upgrade for one's person. Is this how we've really all come to think of devices now? Are they extensions of our bodies? A whole raft of questions has drifted to the shores of my mind.

Every tool is an extension of the human mind. Play an instrument, drive a car, swing a bat... Sure you're using your fingers, legs, and arms, but once your mind adapts, you're thinking and reacting more directly about the new inputs and outputs the tool gives you. There are some neurological studies on musicians and their brain maps that demonstrate this.

Think of other types of tools like hearing aids and artificial limbs. Over time, the brain adapts to use them much like the real thing. Some tools are just "upgrades" far removed from what the human body is naturally capable of.

The tools we use definitely shape the way we think.

Marshall McLuhan: "We shape our tools, and thereafter our tools shape us."

Re: IPhone 4

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Post by [deleted] »

ergo98 wrote: post #82
ugh wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a rather serious accusation. Do you have any evidence which would point you that way?

A less serious accusation is that Gruber now knows that his core readership consists of, essentially, the Apple faithful. He knows to pander to that crowd and that is how he gets paid. It's iPhone fans who feel that every Gruber observation about the iPhone is so critically important that it needs to be voted up on HN.

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