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Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by _nedR »

andmarios wrote: post #30

These shots capture the harshness of human conflict and how we (human beings) change in the face of it. Thank you. I disagree with people saying these are good shots. In the collection another user posted ( http://www.kainoalittle.com/mosul ) there are better shots technically and artistically. Yet that the photographer chose these shots for the article speak tons. These aren't photographs to make you feel better, th…

I have to (respectfully) disagree. These pictures are good, but imo they are still arguably war porn- lots of concrete rubble and men in the heat of battle (videogame stuff essentially). They don't really capture the true consequences or horrors of war. Pictures like the Napalm girl in Vietnam or more recently the picture of the drowned refugee boy on the beach[1] and that picture of that Syrian boy covered in blood and dust[2] . Those pictures are painful to look at (but not too graphic to be nonpunishable) but still tug at the heartstrings and inspire people to action or make them reconsider their actions.

[1] ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Alan_Kurdi)

[2](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/18/boy-in-the-amb...)

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by stinos »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #70
aphextron wrote: post #49

The recent drone footage from Mosul is some of the most mind blowing, surreal stuff imaginable. God help anyone trapped in that city. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW_F2ntQOcQ

anti refugee sentiment is so unconscionable, what the hell world do we live in

Not sure why you got some downvotes. Maybe the wording? But still.. I share your sentiments regarding other's anti-refugee sentiments: seeing things like this video, and having met and talked to actual refugees (seriously, I wonder how many of the antis actually did that? Or would even want to?) and having heard what they went through, it is painful to see others shouting refugees aren't welcome (or worse). Ok I get it, it is not always practical and sometimes even problematic to allow thousands in your country, and yes they have a different culture, and yes some of them might not be on the run for actual war. But my feeling of compassion for their problems, which I as a 'standard' western can only begin to feel related to (e.g. how many of use even ever came close to an actual proper bomb, or the constant fear for it?), is still too big to jump on that bandwagon.

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by blubber »

kukabynd wrote: post #78
dasil003 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote, but my guess would be because ISIS is responsible for this escalation, not the US.

And who’s responsible for ISIS?

Please give me name and phone number of the one person that is responsible. Thank you. I'll call him/her and tell him/her that he/she did all that.

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by dasil003 »

kukabynd wrote: post #78
dasil003 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote, but my guess would be because ISIS is responsible for this escalation, not the US.

And who’s responsible for ISIS?

I'm not defending the US, but that's a dangerous slippery slope you're on that ends with no one being responsible for anything because free will is an illusion.

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by the_cat_kittles »

stinos wrote: post #82
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anti refugee sentiment is so unconscionable, what the hell world do we live in

Not sure why you got some downvotes. Maybe the wording? But still.. I share your sentiments regarding other's anti-refugee sentiments: seeing things like this video, and having met and talked to actual refugees (seriously, I wonder how many of the antis actually did that? Or would even want to?) and having heard what they went through, it is painful to see others shouting refugees aren't welcome (or worse). Ok I get…

yes. sometimes i wonder... is the magnitude of the suffering that refugees are trying to escape so great that its just lost on people? its impossible to relate to for some people like me. the fact that i was shaken by watching these war videos is evidence of this, perhaps. so maybe some of us just dont empathize at all because the truth is too painful. then its easier to say there will be lots of problems so lets just not bother. i guess its incumbent on all of us to remind each other what i think the truth is.

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by kukabynd »

blubber wrote: post #83
kukabynd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who’s responsible for ISIS?

Please give me name and phone number of the one person that is responsible. Thank you. I'll call him/her and tell him/her that he/she did all that.

You’re overdoing it a tad, but let’s just imagine you had a number of that “evil person”. Why would you call him/her and tell he/she did all that? Wouldn’t it be pointless?

Seriously though, I’m not saying I have all the answers but let me ask a simple question. Why would the country with the biggest military industrial complex in the world be involved in the regions all over the world, especially on the other half of the planet? You don’t see soldiers from Bashkiria hanging out in your yard.

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by kukabynd »

dasil003 wrote: post #84
kukabynd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who’s responsible for ISIS?

I'm not defending the US, but that's a dangerous slippery slope you're on that ends with no one being responsible for anything because free will is an illusion.

I asked a simple question and I’m already on a slippery slope? That way any counter-argument is a slippery slope.

The logic of my question lies in the fact that the US played the biggest role in recent Middle East history. Why would a country with the biggest economy/military complex in the world bother to involve itself? This is an open question I don’t have an answer for. I’m sure that anyone in power does not do anything in altruistic nature though. That certainly includes Feds/governments.

You’re right on point though, free will is an illusion.

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by jokoon »

kukabynd wrote: post #78
dasil003 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote, but my guess would be because ISIS is responsible for this escalation, not the US.

And who’s responsible for ISIS?

Basically you can rewind things at a certain prison where many islamist insurgent were kept, including al baghdadi. This prison was managed by the Iraqi or I don't remember who.

To say that the invasion of Iraq did not fuel the escalation in Syria is a little naive.

There is an endless debate between keeping Saddam Hussein in power and letting Iraq slowly reconstruct itself, and removing him and letting all the bad stuff loose.

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by jokoon »

It's weird because I've read several times over that violence in the world is decreasing on average, so it would seem the middle is the last violent place. Still quite violent...

Re: Photos of Mosul 2017

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Post by 1001101 »

dasil003 wrote: post #84
kukabynd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who’s responsible for ISIS?

I'm not defending the US, but that's a dangerous slippery slope you're on that ends with no one being responsible for anything because free will is an illusion.

Your attempt to short circuit any rebuttals with infinite regress aside, this didn't happen organically or spontaneously - humans caused this, and I can give you the names of many of them.
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