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Isn't the main value of a realtor the ability to provide access to the home for sale, monitor the visitor, and provide insight in regards to the construction & quality of the home? I don't think most people expect the realtor to recommend random homes based on the buyers preferences, as most people use services, such as RedFin, to narrow down the homes that match their best fit.
Maybe so, but why is that worth a 3% commission on the sale price, on both sides of the transaction?
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cutting the fees by 25% actually. Redfin acts as the buyer or seller's broker and only gives you back half of their 3% commission. The other side's broker still gets their 3%. So you pay 4.5% instead of 6%.
How does a web site get licensed as a real estate broker, anyway?
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
cutting the fees by 25% actually. Redfin acts as the buyer or seller's broker and only gives you back half of their 3% commission. The other side's broker still gets their 3%. So you pay 4.5% instead of 6%.
How does a web site get licensed as a real estate broker, anyway?
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I used to think the same way, but then I bought my first house and my realtor was insanely helpful. The entire process is filled with random quagmires that I would have never known how to manage otherwise. Someone with more experience may be more able to go it alone obviously, but my realtor was invaluable.
That doesn't explain why they should earn a percentage of the purchase price, and not a flat fee.
High risk, high reward.
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I can see some of the expertise coming into play on the selling side. Can you give me a few examples of what kinds of value one gets while buying? From what I can tell the main service that my realtor offered when I buying my place was access to the MLS. We found the houses we wanted to look at and he gave us access. Dollars per hour he was doing very well working with me, although I might be an exception.
In my most recent homebuying experience, my realtor was able to point out several facts about the house based on the surrounding market that saved me about $40k. It also helps that I don't pay for the realtor on the buy side. What's your argument against a good realtor who saves you any amount when it's coming out of the seller's fee? Edit: By the time you've come to visit a home you're buying, the seller has already…
When I was buying my home the loan person I worked with is family so she helped me more than my realtor. Looked into neighborhoods for me etc. It could be that they were looking out for me more than normal.
I am in a market where houses sell instantly, more or less you look at a house and make an offer within out 24 hours or else it's gone. Which is crazy but the realtor didn't even get much of a chance to look into things here for us.
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I agree. I live in a small isolated town, and I thought realtors were artificially increasing the home prices (not values, but prices) in the small pool of housing available here. But their local knowledge was invaluable in both buying and selling a home. That said, if a buyer and seller agree on a sale independently of any realtor here, we can go to a local realtor and they'll happily facilitate the sale for a flat…
You don't need a realtor, fyi, just a good real estate lawyer, which you generally need anyway when buying/selling a house. A lot of the apparent value of realtors disappears when you do the process yourself. source: have FSBO bought, and FSBO sold, and redfin bought, and worked for Coldwell Banker. Getting on the MLS is cheap/easy now with discount MLS listings--I wouldn't do fsbo without it, even though you usually…
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#57I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the realtor and charge a reasonable flat fee ($1000?) to buy/sell a house and handle all the related details. Why do we need realtors at this point? Everyone finds houses themselves online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper commission to some middle-man?
Having gone through four home-buying episodes, where my wife (an ex-realtor) spent massive amounts of time trolling Trulia, RedFin, calling police departments, gathering reports from the local City Hall, I can tell you there is still a service to be provided by agents. And anyone who has bought a house knows that the collection of contracts that represents "buying a house" is not a small collection, and errors can be…
You actually think a 'good' realtor deserves a 60% commission? I can tell you're married to a realtor.
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#58I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the realtor and charge a reasonable flat fee ($1000?) to buy/sell a house and handle all the related details. Why do we need realtors at this point? Everyone finds houses themselves online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper commission to some middle-man?
I used to think the same way, but then I bought my first house and my realtor was insanely helpful. The entire process is filled with random quagmires that I would have never known how to manage otherwise. Someone with more experience may be more able to go it alone obviously, but my realtor was invaluable.
I'm a big DIYer and will go to great length to research and do things on my own. My Realtor (Redfin agent) payed for himself and then some during the home buying process. Your paying for their experience and knowledge.
My agent making statements like "I had our lawyer review our signed purchase agreement and because of X,Y,Z we are still ok" helped me understand why I'm paying a big company a lot of money to help me out.
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#59I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the realtor and charge a reasonable flat fee ($1000?) to buy/sell a house and handle all the related details. Why do we need realtors at this point? Everyone finds houses themselves online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper commission to some middle-man?
First, it was very hard to communicate the value prop to customers. We went to market with something like "we refund the buyer's commission minus our flat fee". This brought up all kinds of questions and often buyers thought we were more expensive than realtors. Saying that we're 50% the price of a traditional realtor ended up being a more compelling message even though there's less savings in many cases.
Second, when we're acquiring customers we compete with all of the people charging a much fatter commission. If a realtor is making a 50k commission, they can afford to spend 10k on acquiring a single customer. Assuming an efficient market (which the acquisition side kind of is), a flat fee kind of caps your addressable market because you can only compete with ads at a certain price point (buyers at That said, it looks like redfin found that there's more price elasticity on the sell side. The seller has likely been through the process before, seen how little work agents do, and feels the full agent fee more viscerally at the time of listing. For the buyer, the agent fee is this murky thing that your agent will tell you is paid for by the seller... first time buyers usually don't find out how much it is until they sign the final closing docs. The other difficulty is that the typical 2.5% being offered to the buyer's agent is essentially an advertising cost... in the existing market agents will often steer clients away from low commission listings (not ethical but it happens).
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#60I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the realtor and charge a reasonable flat fee ($1000?) to buy/sell a house and handle all the related details. Why do we need realtors at this point? Everyone finds houses themselves online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper commission to some middle-man?
(just one tiny hint: you have to dismantle the MLS network in the process.)
yes, it's inefficient, but it's not a valueless middleman. yes, there is additional value that could be unlocked through greater efficiency. but there is a huge contingent of professionals vested in the continuation of the current regime. there are systemic and regulatory hurdles. which politician wants to dismantle an industry that still provides determined but not necessarily highly educated individuals the chance to break into the upper middle class?