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Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

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I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the realtor and charge a reasonable flat fee ($1000?) to buy/sell a house and handle all the related details. Why do we need realtors at this point? Everyone finds houses themselves online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper commission to some middle-man?

I used to think the same way, but then I bought my first house and my realtor was insanely helpful. The entire process is filled with random quagmires that I would have never known how to manage otherwise. Someone with more experience may be more able to go it alone obviously, but my realtor was invaluable.

Have you used TurboTax or an alternative to file your taxes? Would something like that, with step by step and explaining why's and how's not be enough for this purpose?

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

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post #23
post #3

I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the realtor and charge a reasonable flat fee ($1000?) to buy/sell a house and handle all the related details. Why do we need realtors at this point? Everyone finds houses themselves online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper commission to some middle-man?

Having gone through four home-buying episodes, where my wife (an ex-realtor) spent massive amounts of time trolling Trulia, RedFin, calling police departments, gathering reports from the local City Hall, I can tell you there is still a service to be provided by agents. And anyone who has bought a house knows that the collection of contracts that represents "buying a house" is not a small collection, and errors can be…

What is the purpose of calling police departments?

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

#43

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I can see some of the expertise coming into play on the selling side. Can you give me a few examples of what kinds of value one gets while buying? From what I can tell the main service that my realtor offered when I buying my place was access to the MLS. We found the houses we wanted to look at and he gave us access. Dollars per hour he was doing very well working with me, although I might be an exception.

In my most recent homebuying experience, my realtor was able to point out several facts about the house based on the surrounding market that saved me about $40k. It also helps that I don't pay for the realtor on the buy side. What's your argument against a good realtor who saves you any amount when it's coming out of the seller's fee? Edit: By the time you've come to visit a home you're buying, the seller has already…

You're surely paying for the realtor in a pass through fashion on the sale price of the home.

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

#44
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"I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the need for a software engineer and charge a reasonable flat fee to bolt together some libraries and handle all the related details. Why do we even need software engineers at this point? Everyone can find the libraries and open source tools they need online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper paycheck to some middle-man?" You're paying for someone's…

Isn't that basically what SaaS is? Companies that would have had to hire engineers to do bespoke work can contract out to a SaaS vendor and get what they need for a fixed fee. SaaS doesn't make sense every case, just like Redfin doesn't, but it's still valid.

Those SaaS vendors are still paying developers; if a cookie cutter self-service model works for your needs as a customer, more power to you.

Rarely has that appeared to be the case in the dozens of real estate transactions I've been through, and it might explain why Redfin can't grow faster; people want to have their hand held through the largest transaction of their life, and those who can charge more for those services will.

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

#45
post #26

Redfin with its smaller cut of RE transactions on the seller side combined with the ability to circumvent MLS with it's own listing system could be the begining of the end for agents.

While I don't disagree with you, Redfin has been in business since 2004. 13 years is a long time to take to kill off realtors. I'm in the process of selling my place and I'm using a realtor (who nearly matched Redfin's seller commission rate). The Redfin agent I first spoke to proposed a generic, templatized method to sell my property - list on N realtor sites, email my contacts, take nice pics - while the realtor I…

I agree. Realtors won't get killed- they'll just have their commissions reduced. I've bought a house through Redfin which was easy enough, but used an agent who agreed to Redfin level fees, but was much more knowledgeable and better at selling my house. From dressing up the house, doing open houses to following up with buyers, to negotiating. Redfin couldn't match him with their inexperienced agents/helpers, high volume and cookie cutter methods that are more suited to hot real estate markets where there's not much for realtors to do.

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

#46
post #3

I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the realtor and charge a reasonable flat fee ($1000?) to buy/sell a house and handle all the related details. Why do we need realtors at this point? Everyone finds houses themselves online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper commission to some middle-man?

I used to think the same way, but then I bought my first house and my realtor was insanely helpful. The entire process is filled with random quagmires that I would have never known how to manage otherwise. Someone with more experience may be more able to go it alone obviously, but my realtor was invaluable.

That doesn't explain why they should earn a percentage of the purchase price, and not a flat fee.

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

#47
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having gone through four home-buying episodes, where my wife (an ex-realtor) spent massive amounts of time trolling Trulia, RedFin, calling police departments, gathering reports from the local City Hall, I can tell you there is still a service to be provided by agents. And anyone who has bought a house knows that the collection of contracts that represents "buying a house" is not a small collection, and errors can be…

What is the purpose of calling police departments?

Crime in the area, for one.

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

#48
post #35

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cutting the fees by 25% actually. Redfin acts as the buyer or seller's broker and only gives you back half of their 3% commission. The other side's broker still gets their 3%. So you pay 4.5% instead of 6%.

How does a web site get licensed as a real estate broker, anyway?

They are registered brokers with a website- just like Windermere. They took this path vs being just a website like Zillow.

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

#49
post #3

I'm still waiting for someone to completely eliminate the realtor and charge a reasonable flat fee ($1000?) to buy/sell a house and handle all the related details. Why do we need realtors at this point? Everyone finds houses themselves online nowadays. Why does anyone need to pay a whopper commission to some middle-man?

I used to think the same way, but then I bought my first house and my realtor was insanely helpful. The entire process is filled with random quagmires that I would have never known how to manage otherwise. Someone with more experience may be more able to go it alone obviously, but my realtor was invaluable.

> The entire process is filled with random quagmires

OK, but why is that? And how many of those "random quagmires" are coming from realtors?

The real estate industry reminds me of the tax preparation industry or car sales in the USA. My opinion is they are all (by design) intentionally annoying, cumbersome, overly complex, overly expensive, and excessively time consuming, seemingly for no reason other than to protect vested interests. These areas are ripe for dramatic disruption.

Re: Real estate site Redfin files for IPO

#50
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having gone through four home-buying episodes, where my wife (an ex-realtor) spent massive amounts of time trolling Trulia, RedFin, calling police departments, gathering reports from the local City Hall, I can tell you there is still a service to be provided by agents. And anyone who has bought a house knows that the collection of contracts that represents "buying a house" is not a small collection, and errors can be…

What is the purpose of calling police departments?

To determine if any possible meth activity is associated with the home.
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