As a black man I am going to disagree with some of what she said even if I can relate on some level. You need support when you are hired especially as an "under represented" person. If the company didn't think you needed support they simply wouldn't be offering it. Most of the "not under represented" people have support that helps them become more successful.
Completely lost on your meaning, sorry. I literally have no idea what you mean. Care to elaborate? "Most of the not under represented people"... say what?
I'm not a Woman in Tech
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#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember quite some time ago, before Social networks. Before blogs. Before all of what we think of the WWW. We were still in Web 1.0 , with email, usenet, IRC, and other then-essential services. Dial-up was the way online. And when people talked with each other, we were told to not release who we are. Be guarded in your real-identity. And that lead to user1 talks with user2. I didn't know if user2 was white, black,…
This really is a problem that cannot be fixed by pretending that it doesn't exist. Are you going to ignore the fact that by "forcing" identities, we are unable to behave in a way that makes identity irrelevant? The only way we can currently achieve the utopia in which gender, race, sexuality, class, attractiveness, etc don't matter is when we purposefully construct an environment where it all magically disappears. Wh…
Were you black? It didn't matter. White? So what. Male? Female? It didn't matter.
The words on the screen, and the thoughts behind the superficial bodily stuff was what mattered. How did they think? How did they communicate their ideas? How did they collaborate? What were their ethics and values? -- Those were what mattered, not that someone had a blue mohawk and were bisexual. Those things didn't matter.
Better yet, this method also transcended poor and rich... Yes, you had to have a certain amount to access a computer and the internet. Or you hacked the local university's access. Or used it at the library. Or had a cool friend. Except, now it's what you think, not what stylish clothes you wore, or the jewelry you had.
And this blurring of gender, sexual preference, race, weight, height,.. you name it was distilled down to "what's in that skull". And someone whom you might never walk up to and talk with, you could strike conversations with them, and they you. It also was the first steps of breaking down national borders - I could talk with people who say they live in Europe, or Asia, or Africa, or wherever...
At that time, for a small window, "We" were one peoples of this world. As the Hacker's Manifesto put it;
"We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals."
I await this day to come again. Hopefully the next time, we can meet face to face, and celebrate our differences and come together as one peoples of this world.. But a few of us saw it the first time, for a bit.
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#423As a straight white male, this type of thing has never affected me directly. But as a programmer who's now in his 50s, I'm starting to get a very tiny taste of the same emotions. There was an article on HN just a few days ago about "why you should hire older programmers" which I felt to be deeply, deeply offensive in a way I found hard to articulate. Why are you putting labels on me? Why are you pretending there's so…
We can't exists without labels. There are no lab-white programmers out there pure as a function. I missed that article, but older probably meant more experienced. You shouldn't be offended, but it's up to you. I try to avoid labels too, but I can't escape it. In a room full of firmware engineers I would be the "web guy", I'm fine with that. There are "older programmer" meetups, it's just not called that way. A friend…
> smalltalk meetup in London and he sad it was a couple of guys in their 50-s
These examples sound to me like the exact opposite of what was being discussed here. In both cases, these are examples of labeling based on technical skill or interest, the complete polar opposite of what's being discussed here.
> than being constantly pissed off
I don't see how either myself or OP said anything like this. In fact, I tried to emphasize how I had experienced only a tiny taste of this kind of thing.
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#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think it's the class system that's holding you back from being Elon Musk, you're the one holding yourself back.
The class system is obviously holding everyone back, that's why you have poor neighbourhoods and poor cities instead of just poor individuals. And every statistic you see tends to show the class system. Elon Musk is just a statistical error and even then wasn't even coming from a poor family in the first place.
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#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd argue you're still at liberty to do it - you just have to be willing to accept any social prices associated with it. Other people enjoy the same liberties that you do, they have every right to think and say whatever they will about you due to your speech. Of course, this is really only a significant issue on a public forum, on which you can post pseudonymously and still gain any benefits of discussion without pay…
>Id argue you're still at liberty to do it - you just have to be willing to accept any social prices associated with it. You can say that about almost anything. I'm at liberty to murder my neighbor, I just have to accept the price.
the quoted 'at liberty' seems to refer to something like not being restricted by the law of the land.
saying 'at liberty to murder' seems to refer to something like bodily autonomy/physical capability.
Re: I'm not a Woman in Tech
#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can't exists without labels. There are no lab-white programmers out there pure as a function. I missed that article, but older probably meant more experienced. You shouldn't be offended, but it's up to you. I try to avoid labels too, but I can't escape it. In a room full of firmware engineers I would be the "web guy", I'm fine with that. There are "older programmer" meetups, it's just not called that way. A friend…
> I would be the "web guy" > smalltalk meetup in London and he sad it was a couple of guys in their 50-s These examples sound to me like the exact opposite of what was being discussed here. In both cases, these are examples of labeling based on technical skill or interest, the complete polar opposite of what's being discussed here. > than being constantly pissed off I don't see how either myself or OP said anything l…
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#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tribalism seems to be encoded in the genes of every primate species on the planet, so it's not that surprising. In our past, every time a line dividing tribes was erased, we drew a different line. This is just speculation on my part, but the only way we'll achieve cohesion as a species is if/when we encounter intelligent alien life. We'll still be tribal, but at an interplanetary level.
Those damn Japanese ^W Mexicans ^W Martians ^W Klingons ^W Cardassians ^W Borg!
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#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Take the "black lives matter" movement. If we followed the OPs advice, they should just protest that "all lives matter" instead, That might have been more effective, even if it isn't as fair or correct. Hard to say, but in the lead up to the the latest US presidential election, there were many movements that I absolutely agreed with that I wish had shut up for just 1 year, because I could seem them fueling resentmen…
The Civil War begat the Reconstruction. Two steps forward, one step back.
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#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sharing opinions is just not "safe" anymore Free speech is dead.
Not dead - you can speak your mind - just you pay a social price to do so. Free speech, even in the most libertarian concept I have doesn't prevent other people's right to criticize your speech - in fact, I'd say it encourages just that. Speak out against stuff you don't like rather than censoring it. Ultimately it's an effect of large, diverse communities and deep political divisions. If you want to have political d…
it's not unheard of for this to go much, much further. doxxing, harassing associates, campaigns to fire people, 'de-platforming', stigmatization etc.
such pursuit of wrongthink produces chilling effects and balkanization.
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#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
Social media can become mass media, and it's not up to you to decide if and when that happens. In the past, you could just vocalise your opinion, and it would not survive many hops in the real-world social network. So yeah, you can express your opinion, but your chance of being crucified for it has risen significantly.
> In the past, you could just vocalise your opinion, and it would not survive many hops in the real-world social network. In the past, "vocalizing your opinion" meant debating friends over drinks, the difference today is that every person with an opinion deliberately leverages modern technology to broadcast that opinion to as many people as possible, and the more that receive it, the better. Naturally, people who dis…
It's not the person who got hurt that "leveraged modern technology to broadcast that opinion to as many people as possible" - it's the other person, the one who overheard stuff and got offended. This is why many start to feel afraid voicing their opinions - because even if you try to keep it to a small group of your friends, there's no telling when someone decides to rebroadcast it publicly on the Internet, and then all hell breaks loose.