I am here to say (as a Tesla owner), that I truly hope this kind of behavior is not being tolerated by Tesla. I would hope Elon Musk or someone high up at the company investigates these claims. If they are baseless, they are baseless, but they are still worth investigating and possibly taking disciplinary and work process steps to fix them.
In regards to Vandenmeyer's story: from what I've read...I'm not sure I think it's super credible. I certainly could be wrong though.
I want to believe in Tesla just as much as the next tech-focused person, but of course I want them to have good corporate ethics and ferret out cases like this/investigate them. I would hope meaningfully!
You mean perpetually then? This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. I could share some stories my mom told me about her workplace experiences from the 70s to the 90s. They're much more disturbing than being passed over for promotion. So perhaps things have gotten better.
> This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. If you're tired of reading about it, imagine how exhausting it must be for women who have to actually live with it.
The subject will be brought up again and again until the issues are addressed.
You mean perpetually then? This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. I could share some stories my mom told me about her workplace experiences from the 70s to the 90s. They're much more disturbing than being passed over for promotion. So perhaps things have gotten better.
> So perhaps things have gotten better.
Yes, because of the actions and attitudes of people who give the subject its due attention, not the people who write it off as fatiguing.
OPs comment is so disconnected from the article its actually funny. That person did not read it.
How is it "disconnected from the article"? There's just one concrete accuser. The verbiage in the rest of the article makes it sound like women are systematically harassed and discriminated against at Tesla, which I'd bet a good amount of money is not true. I totally believe that in any large company there are a few douchebags who harass and discriminate against others (women and men alike). Literally any company of…
If you lent half the time & energy into reading, researching, and just general thinking about this problem that you have thinking about wild conspiracy theories, we'd all probably live in a better world for it.
But we'll continue living in the bad world, because of it.
The subject will be brought up again and again until the issues are addressed.
You mean perpetually then? This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. I could share some stories my mom told me about her workplace experiences from the 70s to the 90s. They're much more disturbing than being passed over for promotion. So perhaps things have gotten better.
These kinds of problems aren't really being solved by having a mandatory seminar. There are broad cultural issues at play, and certainly quite a bit of corporate ass covering.
However, I don't think its reasonable for anyone in an employment situation to have to suffer because of the psychological problems of their peers and especially their superiors. Sexual harassment is just one egregious example.
If you are really worried about litigation, stop putting narcissistic sociopaths in your management structure. I know that sounds hard. At least you can try?
You mean perpetually then? This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. I could share some stories my mom told me about her workplace experiences from the 70s to the 90s. They're much more disturbing than being passed over for promotion. So perhaps things have gotten better.
> This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. If you're tired of reading about it, imagine how exhausting it must be for women who have to actually live with it.
I have to deal with douchebags and people I don't like on a daily basis, people who make my job hard and people who I'd like to vanish off the face of the earth. I don't write blog posts about it, because
1. nobody cares
2. this is what life is like and some people just need to toughen up a bit.
Assholes exist, don't try to shield yourself from them, learn how to fight back and they'll respect you.
Can we get this switched from Verge's blogspam to the original source? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/05/tesla-sex...
Does Verge produce anything original or is it all blog regurgitation? How much of the web today is blog revomit vs original content?
They were OK their first year or so, then they went the way of every other reactionary "news" site and peddled clickbait and incendiary political op-eds.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…
> The pros vastly outweigh the cons: [...] This is not true, and sounds like it's written from the perspective of someone who hasn't had to go through this. I don't have personal experience with this, but for many people, it sounds like a very difficult thing to come forward to talk about harassment, with huge potential downsides and stigmas associated with it, even as the wronged party. And anyone prepared to talk a…
I hear you. I do think there is a better way though, than a) always disbelieving the accuser until proven otherwise or b) always believing the accuser until proven otherwise. Both sides can be exploited. In the case of predators, absolutely, environments that discourage accusers coming forward makes it easy for them to exploit, and that is wrong. In the case of false accusers (more common than I believe most people think), environments that take the side of an accuser makes it easy for them to exploit, and that is also wrong. There's a balance to be struck, and I think we can only consider that balance when we think about all the dynamics of all the actors.
How is it "disconnected from the article"? There's just one concrete accuser. The verbiage in the rest of the article makes it sound like women are systematically harassed and discriminated against at Tesla, which I'd bet a good amount of money is not true. I totally believe that in any large company there are a few douchebags who harass and discriminate against others (women and men alike). Literally any company of…
If you lent half the time & energy into reading, researching, and just general thinking about this problem that you have thinking about wild conspiracy theories, we'd all probably live in a better world for it. But we'll continue living in the bad world, because of it.
Dunno, the world where things are blown out of proportion by fake news and propaganda operatives seems pretty bad to me. They might not seem that bad to you until you're the target.