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The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
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Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#132At one time someone close to me was experiencing back pain, we both saw a lovely episode of the TV series 'Louie'. Here is a quote from that episode: Dr. Bigelow: What can I do for you? Louie: Uh, well, I hurt my back today really bad. Uh. Can you help me with my back? I mean... Dr. Bigelow: What's wrong with your back? Louie: It hurts. Dr. Bigelow: My professional diagnosis is your back hurts. Louie: Well, what can…
Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#133In my experience in the US you are much more likely to be 'sold' on unneeded medication and services vs getting an accurate meaningful diagnosis and course of treatment, when it comes to a whole host of problems but esp w.r.t physical injuries, rehab etc. 90% of the doctors you see will have no clue about treatments you can find in a 5min search on youtube. I don't mean hack treatments or miracle cures but basic phys…
Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#134Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#135The spine is a maddeningly complex assembly of bone, nerves, cartilage, articular surfaces, vasculature, packed tightly, subjected to immense forces, and articulable is many directions. It is a miracle of evolutionary engineering and a miserable failure. We needed to crawl longer before we stood up and walked as a species.
I have been through 2 spinal fusion surgeries. First, L4-L5, L5-S1. Then L2-L3, L3-L4. One surgery was nine hours the other was eight. Recovery was approximately 1 year for each surgery to complete return to maximum function. It was the hardest thing I've ever done. And news of the need for a second surgery almost crushed me.
But...
I am virtually pain free for 3 years now. My activities are virtually unlimited. No boxing. No golf. Oh boo hoo. I can hike, scuba dive and travel.
Your mileage may vary, but the real question is why? The quality of both surgeons and diagnosticians varies widely across institutions and geography. I am fortunate that I live in a city with the best orthopedic hospital in the US and my surgeon is world renowned in the area of spinal surgery.
It took me ten plus years to get the right diagnosis and find the right clinicians but when I did they repaired my spine to provide me maximum function and pain relief but it is not a new spine. It is never like new. But it'll do what I need it to do.
For anyone in pain. I hope and pray you are relieved of it. Search for the professionals who really know what the fuck their doing and GET WELL!!! Be a zealous and merciless advocate for your own healthcare.
Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
This argument has always seemed pretty silly to me. Why, if this is how the market for medical services worked, would medical services cure any problem, when they could find ways to milk those problems for recurring revenue? Why aren't malaria or stomach ulcers "chronic manageable illnesses", rather than curable ones?
Consider Hepatitis C. Chronic infection puts the patient at risk for cirrhosis and eventual liver failure, and the treatment for that is a liver transplant. A couple of years ago Telepravir (Schering/Merck) and Boceprevir (Vertex/J&J) came to market. The price for a course of treatment has nothing to do with the cost of development and everything with the cost of a liver transplant, it's slightly less than that.
Even before prices for HCV drugs went down due to competition, they offered a cure for a life threatening disease for less than $100K in the US with minimal side effects, typically in 8 weeks, and with 95% effectiveness. The agent is a small pill taken twice a day. Price is scaled to personal income in country of treatment.
That's more like 1/10 of the monetary cost of a transplant, which is a scarce and rationed treatment.
Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#137The thing is, when you've seen one back problem, you've see one back problem. The spine is a maddeningly complex assembly of bone, nerves, cartilage, articular surfaces, vasculature, packed tightly, subjected to immense forces, and articulable is many directions. It is a miracle of evolutionary engineering and a miserable failure. We needed to crawl longer before we stood up and walked as a species. I have been throu…
P.S. the back pain industry is a sham, but there are a few of us out there that legitimately need help, but can't get it due to the opioid epidemic and snake oil salesmen.
Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
First, you're taking a god-of-the-gaps approach to acupuncture. "It hasn't been proven to be ineffective for condition X, so keep your mind open!" Second, they have run good trials on many of the conditions acupuncture claims to cure. You picked the one paragraph that might be interpreted to support your claim: > It's a shame that Western science seems so intent on dismissing non-western treatments and techniques, ra…
And bitch all you want about "western medicine", but if you have a heart attack, or need a kidney transplant, or break a bone - you're probably going to choose the western system. I think western medicine is excellent when it comes to determining specific details about many individual bits are supposed to be working, and fixing those specific things when they're broken or malfunctioning. It's not as successful when i…
First, you describe Western medicine as detail oriented, or bottom-up, but this creates a false contrast.
Western medicine studies all sorts of interactions between systems. Yes, there are tons of specialists, but they all have to study how all the different systems interact in early coursework, precisely because the West does value insights gained from how systems are plugged together, and borrowing techniques from some contexts/scales and applying them in others.
The real distinguishing feature between "Western" and traditional medicines, and this is really only a very recent phenomenon in the West, is just the recognition that we constantly, unwittingly, lie to ourselves about what is effective. So we design methods to test results, and throw out things that don't work.
If there's one dominant feature of "Western" medicine it's RCTs.
But note the scare quotes, included for two reasons:
First, the roots of Western medicine have nothing to do with scientific rigor. If anything, the West's medical history was so thoroughly unreliable with ramblings about demonic possession and poisonous snake oil that it made the abundance of quackery obvious, making serious practitioners demand proof for everything.
This idea isn't "Western," it's just a natural human reaction when you want better information. Make people prove what they claim.
Sure, there are specific tools that help, like randomization and extra controls (placebo, blinds, peer review, etc.). But those aren't "Western" anymore than fire or levers or wheels are regional possessions. They're just working tools anyone can use, and China is using them today.
And that gets to the bigger problem here, not the mischaracterization of Western medicine, but reducing China's medical research contributions to "traditional Chinese medicine." Most people unfortunately do this, but it completely undermines the brilliant scientific contributions of modern Chinese researchers, who use the best tools available (like RCTs) to contribute to humanity's scientific knowledge.
And note, these aren't traditional Chinese practitioners, just dabbling in Western methods, anymore than Watson and Crick were really exorcists who dabbled with chemistry.
It's true that some Chinese research may be inspired by traditional medicines, like Tu Youyou's pioneering work on antimalarial drugs. But what's the root of her contribution? It's not merely popularizing an old remedy that makes her brilliant. She's great because of all the thousands of possible old remedies, she conducted rigorous animal studies to identify one useful treatment. She sorted the chaff from the wheat, and she did the hard work to prove her result, and create conditions that could be replicated.
(It would be the wrong lesson to conclude her story validates folk remedies generally. Her story validates rigorous scientific testing. There are so so many worthless folk remedies. Rigorous scientific testing was the useful and unique ingredient here that led to a usable result.)
More and more often, others like Junjiu Huang, are conducting groundbreaking stem cell research (a field completely unrelated to traditional medicines).
Part of this discussion may stem from discomfort at comparing rigorous modern RCTs with Chinese traditional medicine, maybe a fear that this becomes a cheap way to make China look backwards. But the real problem is the comparison. There's no reason to compare those things.
Apples to apples would be to compare traditional Chinese medicine to bleeding and trepanning. Or more recently, while we were well past China's stage of economic development, we were using stuff like preorbital lobotomies and insisting schizophrenia was caused by bad parenting.
And those were doctors and hospitals. If you include hobbyists and folk remedies, you get people in the West swinging a dead cat over their head in a graveyard to get rid of warts. You get people faith healing on TV by shouting "demons out!"
Once you're satisfied that folk remedies have issues in every country, then compare modern with modern.
At the worst, you can criticize some Chinese schools as paper mills. But China's sheer number of researchers means its upper ten percentile is already twice the size of the US top ten, and the number of researchers and quality of research in China are both rapidly improving. The sheer potential is staggering throughout Asia, based on population and how rapidly countries are progressing economically (so they can move larger portions of society out of agriculture and basic industry and into more prestige fields like science).
Based on demographics alone, the smart money would be that China will develop more "Western" medical advances in the next 50 years than the West itself.
That's what we should be celebrating about Chinese medicine. Not stuff from a thousand years ago, a double standard when we consider Western medical advice from a thousand years ago to be laughable nonsense. But all the real stuff they're doing now, today, and what they will inevitably do in the near future, to push forward the frontiers of not Western but human knowledge.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why would anyone ever fix it in a for-profit system? For the same reason any other problem gets solved in a for-profit system; the best solver of problems will be the best getter of dollars. See for instance Apple, Honda, Nike, Harvard, etc.
Well, let's say that medical ethics is a thing, and ethics in used-car sales is not. I'm attached to a medical school in a Southern state, and Trump was ahead in my neck of the woods with 2/3 of the vote, and it's taken seriously here by the physicians.
Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax
#140Oh, but the subscriptions continue. They "cure a disease" with vaccines my friend...In fact they increase as vaccines are compulsively imposed on almost everybody...Note that the vaccine manufactures are immune from liability, so a vaccine is a perfect injection point for bioaccumulative toxins which create more future customers. > Indeed, and it is surely for the same reason that there isn't yet a pill I can take to…