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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by computereye »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #38
raitom wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, around 40k€ / year, before taxes.

The minimum salary for people who work in France on this Visa is €53,836.50 by law. The minimum legal salary for people working on H1B in the US is $60000, but in practice, the salary is of course much higher. This isn't going to draw very many Silicon Valley engineers to France, but it could bring some people to France who failed to get an H1B.

53k is considered a high salary in France, at least if you're younger than 40 with no big responsibilities.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by dang »

wott wrote: post #79

> I paid $650 for less than half of [600 sq ft] in rural France. No way. Or you came with a baseball hat saying "I am a rich Yankee, please swindle me" on the front and "I like to pay twice the regular price" on the back.

Turning that into a national slur is gross and against the spirit of this site. Please don't post anything like this again. The HN community crosses many international divides and basic mutual respect is a sine qua non of commenting here.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14684465 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by computereye »

raitom wrote: post #75
slau wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but it's not just that. The quality of life could be argued to be significantly higher than in other places. The job security once you land a decent gig is not something to be discarded. This being said, Macron does plan on making it easier for people to be fired, in order to make it easier for companies to hire. This is a big topic that I could rant for hours about. You do get all-inclusive health care. In add…

I'm French and I moved to San Diego, so.... My health insurance is paid by my company and I don't really care about free education. Yet, after all my bills, groceries for the month and rent (which is around $2k/month) is paid, I still have almost $2k / month in my pocket to do whatever I want. Good luck to have that in France. The quality of life in Southern California is miles ahead from what I could have in France.…

I'm French and I'm curious as to how you moved and got a job in SD ? Thanks

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by bsaul »

wanghq wrote: post #85
corford wrote: post #46

It looks great on paper but the devil will be in the detail and how well they execute on the admin/bureaucracy side. If my experience a few years ago with the auto entrepreneur scheme and URSAFF are anything to go by, you'll need a lot of patience, the ability to speak half decent French and a sense of humour if you want to avoid ripping all your hair out :) I love France (have even married one of their citizens!) bu…

Sounds like there are lots of opportunities...for startups, to improve these areas.

Absolutely not. The reason things are like described ( although it's not as bad today), is because many sectors are heavily regulated, and belong to a few actors abusing their monopolistic position. There's a reason the european union gave a 500millions fine to the french bank a decade ago ( but things didn't move a lot).

As an example, all the online banking start ups belong ( or were created as subsidiaries of) big banks. All of them.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by rhizome »

MrTonyD wrote: post #89
pjmlp wrote: post #20

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As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

When I got my job at NeXT computer I remember Steve Jobs saying to me that there were only two people there without degrees, and he was one of them (and I was the other.)

I heard a story about him where he fired someone in an elevator because he found out they didn't have a degree.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by computereye »

rockinghigh wrote: post #142
pedrosorio wrote: post #128

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"I can go to an average grocery store that is far larger than just about anything I've seen in all my European travels" How is this relevant?

It's also not true. Carrefour and Auchan stores in France can be the same size as the big Walmart stores in the US.

I agree.

In addition, food quality is miles ahead

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by [deleted] »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #43
mistermumble wrote: post #9

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I have many pleasant memories of living in France many years ago: great food, strong respect for ideas, great ambiance. And, no, I did not speak French and never encountered any bias from the Parisians, despite my California way of speaking. Berlin and Stockholm sound good too, have never been. But I would respond first to the nation that is proactively reaching out. I don't view it as "cashing in on the Trump situat…

You won't really find a nation right now that is anti-science. If France would care about science it would try to fix their school system to produce more scientist. But instead they prefer to lure people in their mess of a nation.

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by computereye »

weberc2 wrote: post #48
anonyfox wrote: post #15

At this point it seems that many Europe nations are more "free" than the US. Now with same-sex marriage getting legal in germany the probably last big issue is resolved. You will not get extreme high salaries like in the US, but there is stuff like free higher education and getting serious medical care won't be expensive at all. Also remember that the EU has a higher population than the US with very diverse countries…

I find European culture and history alluring, but I don't think Europe is somehow "more free" than the U.S., in particular, you guys have much more regulation and far greater taxes. Maybe you have a greater quality of life by certain measures, but I think the freedom point is hard to defend. Maybe I'm wrong?

I think not knowing the laws and cultural rules makes you feel more insecure in a foreign country.

That's what I experienced while visiting the US, but I assume it feels the same the other way around for an American in France.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by dustinmoris »

corford wrote: post #30
seiferteric wrote: post #8

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As far as trades/professions are concerned, you need a degree or a certificate of some kind for virtually everything in France (from being a hairdresser all the way up to doctors/lawyers).

That's so fucking backwards. France was, is and will remain a shit place for any serious entrepreneur. Literally no single unicorn founder from the US would have satisfied these old fashioned conservative anti-progression requirements.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by [deleted] »

corford wrote: post #30
seiferteric wrote: post #8

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As far as trades/professions are concerned, you need a degree or a certificate of some kind for virtually everything in France (from being a hairdresser all the way up to doctors/lawyers).

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