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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by elygre »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #44
bsder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A moron as the chief leader of the country is not something that France shares with the US. In addition, I don't see a huge number of elected representatives of France colluding with one of their chief enemies. France has it's issues; however, their leadership is significantly better than the US, at the moment.

Macron basically just re-branded the socialist party, which wasn't exactly popular. And while his optics may be better than Le Pen, Trump or whoever, France still has deep economic and social problems, and a continuation of the status quo is unlikely to change that.

My French friends would choke over that statement. To themm Macron is fairly right wing, with little connection to the socialist party.

Of course, with the way the election system works, once you were in the final round, it was macron or the devil, and most socialists went with macron,

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by joezydeco »

pjmlp wrote: post #20
seiferteric wrote: post #8

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

Embedded project lead here. I'll take a BSEE/BSCE/BSCS with 3 years of experience over an MS+0 any day of the week.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

anonyfox wrote: post #15

At this point it seems that many Europe nations are more "free" than the US. Now with same-sex marriage getting legal in germany the probably last big issue is resolved. You will not get extreme high salaries like in the US, but there is stuff like free higher education and getting serious medical care won't be expensive at all. Also remember that the EU has a higher population than the US with very diverse countries…

You don't have Trump, but other than Switzerland, any of the European countries are within a generation of being ruled by an autocrat with far more power than Trump. From Franco in Spain, De Gaulle in France, Hitler in Germany and even some the of post WWII Chancellors were pretty autocratic. In addition, Europe seems to have far more tolerance for government intervention in everyday life. In addition, especially in Germany, criminal speech codes have kept a lot of badness under the surface without a legal way to voice it.

Thus, IMHO there is a volcano under the surface, and if it goes off and someone like Trump comes to power,they will be controlling a more pervasive government that can do far more harm than the US government.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by weberc2 »

Daishiman wrote: post #54
weberc2 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find European culture and history alluring, but I don't think Europe is somehow "more free" than the U.S., in particular, you guys have much more regulation and far greater taxes. Maybe you have a greater quality of life by certain measures, but I think the freedom point is hard to defend. Maybe I'm wrong?

Taxes adjusted by the money not being paid in equivalent private services and transportation in the US are remarkably similar.

I believe it. I wonder if that figure assumes personal insurance and the like as opposed to corporate benefits. I imagine for the HN crowd, the US is the better financial bargain (obviously there are lots of other factors besides finances) but if I were low income maybe I would prefer the EU?

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by raitom »

slau wrote: post #25
raitom wrote: post #13

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No, around 40k€ / year, before taxes.

Sure, but it's not just that. The quality of life could be argued to be significantly higher than in other places. The job security once you land a decent gig is not something to be discarded. This being said, Macron does plan on making it easier for people to be fired, in order to make it easier for companies to hire. This is a big topic that I could rant for hours about. You do get all-inclusive health care. In add…

I'm French and I moved to San Diego, so....

My health insurance is paid by my company and I don't really care about free education.

Yet, after all my bills, groceries for the month and rent (which is around $2k/month) is paid, I still have almost $2k / month in my pocket to do whatever I want. Good luck to have that in France.

The quality of life in Southern California is miles ahead from what I could have in France. My only regret is about food.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by Mikeb85 »

elygre wrote: post #71
Mikeb85 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macron basically just re-branded the socialist party, which wasn't exactly popular. And while his optics may be better than Le Pen, Trump or whoever, France still has deep economic and social problems, and a continuation of the status quo is unlikely to change that.

My French friends would choke over that statement. To themm Macron is fairly right wing, with little connection to the socialist party. Of course, with the way the election system works, once you were in the final round, it was macron or the devil, and most socialists went with macron,

How is he right wing? He was the economy minister for Hollande...

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by mattmanser »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #73
anonyfox wrote: post #15

At this point it seems that many Europe nations are more "free" than the US. Now with same-sex marriage getting legal in germany the probably last big issue is resolved. You will not get extreme high salaries like in the US, but there is stuff like free higher education and getting serious medical care won't be expensive at all. Also remember that the EU has a higher population than the US with very diverse countries…

You don't have Trump, but other than Switzerland, any of the European countries are within a generation of being ruled by an autocrat with far more power than Trump. From Franco in Spain, De Gaulle in France, Hitler in Germany and even some the of post WWII Chancellors were pretty autocratic. In addition, Europe seems to have far more tolerance for government intervention in everyday life. In addition, especially in…

It's 72 years since Hitler or Mussolini, how's that within a generation?

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by wott »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #73
anonyfox wrote: post #15

At this point it seems that many Europe nations are more "free" than the US. Now with same-sex marriage getting legal in germany the probably last big issue is resolved. You will not get extreme high salaries like in the US, but there is stuff like free higher education and getting serious medical care won't be expensive at all. Also remember that the EU has a higher population than the US with very diverse countries…

You don't have Trump, but other than Switzerland, any of the European countries are within a generation of being ruled by an autocrat with far more power than Trump. From Franco in Spain, De Gaulle in France, Hitler in Germany and even some the of post WWII Chancellors were pretty autocratic. In addition, Europe seems to have far more tolerance for government intervention in everyday life. In addition, especially in…

Franco, Hitler and... De Gaulle lumped together. All right, mate...

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by wott »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #76
elygre wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My French friends would choke over that statement. To themm Macron is fairly right wing, with little connection to the socialist party. Of course, with the way the election system works, once you were in the final round, it was macron or the devil, and most socialists went with macron,

How is he right wing? He was the economy minister for Hollande...

That is not incompatible.
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