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Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Just a friendly reminder: as of today there has been a state of emergency in France for over a year now. We are talking about situation with regular army with full automatic assault weapons on the streets and police authorized to enter apartments without court order.

I'm Canadian and have a 15 month old, so I'm not as up on European news as I should be. Does that state of emergency stem from the Paris attacks in 2015?

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Yeah flee from the right-wing nightmare that is the U.S. right now to join a nation with the exact same problems and that speaks a different language after all (oh and it is france, they'll let you know that you are american scum to them) This pathetic try to cash in on the whole Trump situation is disgusting. If you want to to relocate to Europe try Berlin or Stockholm.

I don't understand this kind of negativity and frankly, this is an incredibly weak comment because of it.

So negative comments are weak comments? If you like your information sugar coated that's fine but I prefer my discussion open and honest after all.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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No, around 40k€ / year, before taxes.

Sure, but it's not just that. The quality of life could be argued to be significantly higher than in other places. The job security once you land a decent gig is not something to be discarded. This being said, Macron does plan on making it easier for people to be fired, in order to make it easier for companies to hire. This is a big topic that I could rant for hours about. You do get all-inclusive health care. In add…

To what do you attribute the rise in stress - you only gave details on France and the salary change. Also did you already speak Danish?

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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There has been a very strong dynamic over the past few years around France’s 10,000 startups. Any info on the success rate?

This is PR. Innovation in France in the start up space is stale. Our talents usually go to somewhere else because you get 3 times the pay and much more exciting projects.

Projects here are usually quite classical. Investors are shy with money. People from both sides reject risks, and hence the chance of a big success. They want the unicorns for cheap, without having to go find it in the forest and care for it.

The administrative burden, the taxes and the terrible situation with hiring give the last blow.

France is a terrible place for start ups. We got some. But given the great talent pool we have, I find the quantity and quality pitiful. We have good people here, smart ones, efficient ones, nice onces. And we waste so many opportunities.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Yeah flee from the right-wing nightmare that is the U.S. right now to join a nation with the exact same problems and that speaks a different language after all (oh and it is france, they'll let you know that you are american scum to them) This pathetic try to cash in on the whole Trump situation is disgusting. If you want to to relocate to Europe try Berlin or Stockholm.

I'm considering fleeing to someplace where I am assured health care. If I continue to work solo, I don't need to worry about hours caps and all the rest. Hell, maybe I'll be able to relax and "have a life", for a change.

Try Germany then, free healthcare and still a better wealth distribution than France has so you won't have to watch out for bad neighbourhoods like every other Arrondissement in Paris.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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No, around 40k€ / year, before taxes.

You cannot directly compare a San Francisco salary to a French/Western European salary. Healthcare, benefits, rent, etc. are completely different.

You can compare contracting in London/Zurich/other financial centre. There you can get on par with SF salaries as contractor.

Btw, rent in London is about the same as SF or slightly higher. So even with benefits included it's a worse deal.

I don't know what the situation with renting is like in Paris but given how low salaries are rent would have to be much lower compared to London in order for it to make sense to work there instead.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Yeah flee from the right-wing nightmare that is the U.S. right now to join a nation with the exact same problems and that speaks a different language after all (oh and it is france, they'll let you know that you are american scum to them) This pathetic try to cash in on the whole Trump situation is disgusting. If you want to to relocate to Europe try Berlin or Stockholm.

Umm, I think it is not aimed at only people from the US who want to migrate but also to potential talent who were considering the US as an option for investment or as the next step in their careers. Yeah there is a big PR spin to the whole thing but can you really fault the French for using the same approach the US did? Isn't that what the US did all those years when it sold the idea of the American Dream, which in r…

Only people from the U.S. would consider joining a failing state like France to escape their situation.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Will they pay as good as the Us? That is going to be the biggest motivator in my opinion.

No, around 40k€ / year, before taxes.

The minimum salary for people who work in France on this Visa is €53,836.50 by law. The minimum legal salary for people working on H1B in the US is $60000, but in practice, the salary is of course much higher.

This isn't going to draw very many Silicon Valley engineers to France, but it could bring some people to France who failed to get an H1B.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

I'm a self taught dev with 15+ years' experience. I only got a degree a few years ago (did it while working). Honestly, I learned exactly nothing useful that I didn't already know.

I do a lot of hiring and, in my experience, having a degree (or indeed the class/score of said degree) has no relation to the real-world abilities of candidates.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

Yes we do? "software engineer" is a very common job title.
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