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Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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For those who are seriously considering moving to a European nation for work purposes, you might want to also look up the EU blue card scheme[1] which is most likely more flexible than this for employees (no idea of equivalent for founders and investors). [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Card_(European_Union)

Edit - it turns out that the link I put here is actually for a private company. I haven't had any luck finding a more official link for information. If you can help, I'll update this.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

"Tech" is more than programming and software engineering.

Other engineering fields have less opportunities for self-taught people and innovation in those fields are driven by people with higher degrees.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Just a friendly reminder: as of today there has been a state of emergency in France for over a year now. We are talking about situation with regular army with full automatic assault weapons on the streets and police authorized to enter apartments without court order.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Haha. I guess not ones who want to get rich from their work.

"High-net-worth individuals, however, fled France last year in greater numbers than any other country. An estimated 12,000 millionaires left France last year, versus 10,000 in 2015, a gain of 20%, [...]"

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-country-is-no-1-for-mi...

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Will they pay as good as the Us? That is going to be the biggest motivator in my opinion.

No, around 40k€ / year, before taxes.

Sure, but it's not just that. The quality of life could be argued to be significantly higher than in other places.

The job security once you land a decent gig is not something to be discarded. This being said, Macron does plan on making it easier for people to be fired, in order to make it easier for companies to hire. This is a big topic that I could rant for hours about.

You do get all-inclusive health care. In addition to what the government provides, most 40k€ jobs will come with an extra private insurance ("mutuelle"), which will effectively reduce health costs for you and your family to 0. Depending on how nice your company is, you might be _taxed_ on an extra 20-40€ of monthly income, which gives mutuelle rights to you and your family. If you're unlucky, 20-40€ will be deducted from your pay for every family member on the mutuelle. This is usually not negotiable as it is managed/negotiated by the employee representatives/unions.

You also get fairly decent rents. 600€/month will get you a flat in any city, except Paris/Lyon. 1000-1400€ will get you a nice place in most cities.

You also get access to a decent transportation network to most Europe, and a very good internet connectivity, at the consumer level.

I moved from France to Denmark. I would say my wealth has increased (2-3x salary increase), but my overall stress has massively increased. France has a lot of good things going for it.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #20

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

Lol. Having a master's is negatively correlated with developer quality in many people's experience.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Just a friendly reminder: as of today there has been a state of emergency in France for over a year now. We are talking about situation with regular army with full automatic assault weapons on the streets and police authorized to enter apartments without court order.

Yes. It was a temporary measure that as been prolonged more and more. It's rather concerning, but what's worst is that the population really doesn't see the problem with it. If anything goes in the direction away from freedom with a security label attached to it, everybody will follow happily. This is the receipe for a new dictatorship. But of course if you say that you are crazy because there is no way our country would do that ever. We are so clever. Better than the rest of the world. And history's lesson don't apply to us.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #20

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

The best developper I know didn't even finished school. I train every month plenty of terrible devs for a living. They all have better formal education than I, yet I'm paid 5 times their salary to teach them how to do their job.

The education system should be giving you clues on who you should hire. But it doesn't fulfill its mission at all.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Just a friendly reminder: as of today there has been a state of emergency in France for over a year now. We are talking about situation with regular army with full automatic assault weapons on the streets and police authorized to enter apartments without court order.

Had to work in England in the 90's for a week and the bus on the route I used was blown up two hours after I got off by the IRA. All the London landmarks were patrolled by army soldiers with rifles. Everyone can get used to almost any circumstance, the odds of being a victim of a terror attack are miniscule. I'm much more likely to get hit by a drunk driver in the USA.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As far as trades/professions are concerned, you need a degree or a certificate of some kind for virtually everything in France (from being a hairdresser all the way up to doctors/lawyers).
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