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McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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Being a billionaire definitely helps, but it's not really a massive advantage to be a multimillionaire. I have a few wealthy friends (single digit millionaires) who still struggle with dating.

Seriously? Why? Do they expect young supermodels to date them?

You seem to be a little naive when it comes to dating. Money by itself doesn't guarantee good partnership. There's also: personality, physical attractiveness, compatibility etc.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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I have seen questionable material come from him [1]: Examples: "Money Shot" with kitten spreadings its legs and "Great Products...Get you LAID". [1] https://www.slideshare.net/dmc500hats/how-to-pitch-a-vc-or-a... edit: link directly to slides and deleted nested comment.

To be fair, the second slide directly says it is guaranteed to offend.

That doesn't make it appropriate. If anything it's evidence that its author knew very well it was _not_ appropriate.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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Without defending anyone, My honest takeout by the whole sexual harassment threshold in the bay area or the US in general is that you could never end up together or even married with a colleague in that paranoid atmosphere. Which is exactly what I did where I live in Italy. Happily married and yes, after saying things to a colleague of mine that would have made me accused in the bay area.

It's not a paranoid atmosphere. This harrassment is real. If the comments are come-ons are among peers and welcome, then that's one thing. If the come-ons are coming from someone you are asking for investment from, that's inappropriate. If the person is rebuffed but continues making comments or propositions, that's harassment. I'm hoping you didn't browbeat your spouse into an abusive relationship. Presumably your come-ons were welcome. The problem happens when they aren't, and when a rejection results in continued repetition of the behavior or worse, retaliation.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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There's a difference between being involved with a peer or with someone outside your reporting structure on the org chart, and being involved with someone who is inside your reporting structure. It's the differential in power when combined with sexual advances that creates problems, not the sexual advances alone. Of course, unwanted sexual advances are a problem regardless of the relationship of the two parties, but…

Relationships with a power differential are common in the US too. Women generally date up. This is especially common within professions with a high status since it is difficult to meet someone equal/better. View https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/ People generally are poor at reading others and end up pushing too far or getting offended easily ( not referring to this case) What's more likely to…

If men feel the need to "walk on eggshells" to avoid offending women, then they're already in a bad place. Most men don't actually feel this way. If your first instinct in dealing with a woman at work is to make a sexual joke, or comment on your colleague's attractiveness, or to scheme about how you could convince her to date you, then _you_ are the problem, and you have problems, and you should do something about it. That is not normal or excusable behavior.

As for "women generally date up", that is a near tautology given the imbalance in power generally between men and women. By the mere fact that men overwhelmingly hold positions of power, women will typically "date up". There is no way around that. So it's not a useful statistic and certainly isn't evidence of anything.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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The sexual harassment allegations that have pervaded the tech industry this year is really awful to see.

I hope each and every person is exposed and held accountable for their actions.

It's inspiring to see all the women who are standing up and speaking out about these issues.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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Slightly OT: Everyone wants to become a CEO or VC. But the truth is you don't want to. You'll miss the times when you were a naive intern who could mess around with just everyone you met both on a private and professional level. Once you juggle millions it's over. The slightest advance is treated--with good reason--as sexual harassment.

That's only true strictly in the context of dating within the professional pool. I would argue that having more money and power is good in general, but NOT for dating subordinates and coworkers.

Yes, you are right, but it's not that easy. Also the private environment has its pitfalls.

Without noticing you become quickly a public face the more powerful you get. Then, even in a private context you have to be careful who you approach, how you approach and how many. Often private and professional environments are not clearly separated as well.

Let's take again the intern example: There's nothing wrong with a cocky intern approaching and kiss-closing dozens of women on a night out. There's nothing wrong doing this every Friday and Saturday. But some CEOs or VCs would face immediate trouble if such behaviour even in a private context would become public.

Their life isn't better.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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Well it definitely has an affect, the only difference is everybody is either ok with it or indifferent to it. If all of a sudden Jimmy's wife starts being an asshole and gets fired then what? You don't think it would be handled differently if the head writer wasn't his wife? Just like this Facebook message thing. If she had been receptive to it, everybody is cool. But since she wasn't all of a sudden we've got the pi…

I mean there's also a couple other things that differentiates McClure's situation. He's also married. He seems to have accelerated the harassment immediately. Obviously I don't know the details, but it doesn't seem like he was just asking her out on a date. And if he did then clearly she wasn't receptive and he should have stopped. I think it's pretty easy to see that there's a clear violation on McClure's side.

Sure I don't disagree. At the same time, I can see (and I'm sure it's happened) that if he had sent just one message, and had not been married, we may see a similar reaction. My larger point isn't that he didn't do anything wrong, but that these situations are common, we usually only hear about it when something bad happens, and the line between what is acceptable or not is highly variable.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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> If he wanted a relationship, there are infinitely better and more appropriate ways to go about it, especially if he thought she might actually be interested. McClure aside, in general situation when during recruitment precess you meet someone you would like to date is there really a way to go about it that doesn't end badly? Message during recruitment is plain creepy. Asking them out after they are hired is bad for…

This isn't actually that complicated. There are seven billion people in the world, you choose one of the ones that you aren't professionally compromised with to date. Period. Life is full of situations where you have to choose between two competing positive values. It's part of being an adult.

Yes, you are right about there being a choice. This is the core of the problem here. Many I feel look at it and wonder why pass a good opportunity to meet someone, we could both have a chance at something great (unending source of unwanted advances)... The advice about not trying it in professional settings is seen as taking away their freedom to date people, as being rejected without even ability to ask and by it being fundamentally unjust. What they fail to consider is how it look from the other side and how the very same innocent question from their point of view can be seen as some sort of "deal" and part of nightmarish recruitment process.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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That's only true strictly in the context of dating within the professional pool. I would argue that having more money and power is good in general, but NOT for dating subordinates and coworkers.

Yes, you are right, but it's not that easy. Also the private environment has its pitfalls. Without noticing you become quickly a public face the more powerful you get. Then, even in a private context you have to be careful who you approach, how you approach and how many. Often private and professional environments are not clearly separated as well. Let's take again the intern example: There's nothing wrong with a coc…

The only way the CEOs or VCs would get in professional trouble for that behavior is if the women who they were slobbering on were women who they have power over in their business relationships. Rich men can (and do) slobber on as many women they want to who they have no professional relationship with, and nobody has a problem with that. It's fine, as long as you don't bring that behavior into the workplace.

It's not rocket science. You can fool around with as many women as you want, as long as those women aren't subordinate to you in their professional roles. It's when you insist on mixing your business with your pleasure that you get yourself into trouble.

I legitimately cannot understand why so many men have so much trouble understanding this.

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