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Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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Men need to work hard to jail those assholes, here's why: They are the reason why men are described as generally threatening, discrediting and imposing huge constraints in advance on all men who show proper social restraint and respect for women.

I wonder how many innocent people we'll end up condemning with this posture. It's not like history lacks any examples that demonstrates that this is exactly what happens when you get tough and prosecutorial. You're pretty much sanctioning a pitchfork and torch attitude and that evolves into mobs that are often wrong. These days it feels like we've learn nothing from stories like the Scarlet Letter that describe a tim…

> You're pretty much sanctioning a pitchfork and torch attitude and that evolves into mobs that are often wrong.

What you are seeing is the decline of rational and logical thinking. No one wants to think critically anymore, because smart phones reduce available cognitive resources.

So you end up in situations where an inflammatory, poorly researched article emotionally hijacks the brain of a person who would have normally been capable of rational thinking.

I'm not saying that's the case here, but there are numerous cases where outrage porn has ruined the lives of innocent people.

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Untraceable if you use a mixer. Why not blacklist coins that have been mixed? It's not hard to figure out whether a coin has been tumbled through e.g. bitcoinfog. I think most of the resistance to this idea comes from people who've used Silk Road clones, most of which force you to mix your coins. But as bitcoin becomes more valuable and ransomware more prevalent, the argument that silk road is ethical and should ther…

Blacklisting the coins would be easy: Exchanges simply close your account if you receive a large number of BTC that have been tumbled. It's easy to identify the coins and to easy to close the accounts while refunding the coins. --- Seems like the future will be full of black-market banks and money laundering (as opposed to how its always been ;-) #PanamaPapers) Is this the most difficultt financial problem: We don't…

Part of the correct balance is not having people like Brock Pierce leading the Bitcoin Foundation.

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>The people getting in trouble are the serial harassers who are so egregiously bad that a multitude of incidents are documented. Donglegate was less than five years ago, did you already forget about it?

Donglegate wasn't about false accusations, though. It was about a woman publicly shaming two other attendees for what she considered inappropriate jokes in a public setting and then being caught in the blowback when other people were unhappy with how she handled the situation. Her accusations were factual, although there was discussion about whether they were valid. Also, the people who agree that her accusations wer…

I was responding to this too:

>The people getting in trouble right now are not the borderline cases of someone saying an awkward comment here or there.

>Also, the people who agree that her accusations were valid, are also likely the people who think that their behavior was indicative of them being serial harassers.

Which is completely unreasonable. Do you remember what she complained about them saying? Dongles and forking repos? They were discussing among themselves, it wasn't targeted at anyone, and any reasonable person wouldn't believe it was sexist.

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News flash: finance guys have predatory attitudes toward women. OK, not news at all. VC is part of the finance industry. No, it's not "disruptive" or in opposition to that industry in any way. Just look at who's putting all that money in before it's doled back out to entrepreneurs. Look at who has the power to force someone like McClure out. Yep, just a differently decorated branch office of Wall Street. VC partners…

The point isn't that it's breaking news and nobody knew this before now. Come on.

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For everyone who is wondering why these people act the way they do, the answer is that their actions work some of the time . Otherwise, why would they do it if they continually strike out? What one person might see as harassment, another might see as an exciting "chase". I've known women who have had guys be very aggressive (it's a fine line) and they were quite taken by it. This of course is not excusing the behavio…

It's unacceptable whether it "works" sometimes or not. So I don't see the relevance.

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This reminds me strongly the usual stories from Hollywood, the big music industry and even medical world. We in IT are definitely not alone dealing with this bullcrap. I wonder why there's no more "unmasking" in these other sectors. Maybe the victims don't want to risk being unofficially blacklisted?

It's pretty bad in IT. Maybe worse than most other major industries today.

> Maybe worse than most other major industries today.

Many people say this but I wonder why they believe it.

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Wow, thank you for posting for that link! I just finished watching "An Open Secret" for the first time, and it chillingly corroborates most of what Fucked Company humorously presented in that South-Park style documentary, which is how I first heard about the story when Fucked Company covered it contemporaneously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmaRTZpJgPA https://youtu.be/4eeGX4SlF1s?t=1h8m8s I only learned about ab…

You seem to have forgotten to post a link you intended... The scary thing is that btc is likely the traffickers currency of choice these days. How traceable are btc transactions wrt what types of goods or services are supposedly purchased with btc?

I think I included most of the links I intended (some were repeats from the previous message but bore repeating in context, and the last one to the timeline has a lot of other fascinating links), but here is another interesting one from Buzzfeed about An Open Secret:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/an-open-secret-hollywood-...

I don't get why you were downvoted. The documentary "An Open Secret" is quite accurate and confirms everything I ever heard about DEN, provides a whole lot of background information and first person interviews, and is consistent with the information in the lawsuits that Brock Pierce tried to cover up and suppress. The video tape that the kid they molested took of Rector's house with all the pills, the gun safe, and photocopies he made of all the documents, the email with discussions and photos of kids Pierce and Rector were grooming, and the audio tape of the confession about molesting the kid, were all very chilling and quit convincing. This is no "Pizzagate" conspiracy theory: it really happened and is very well documented by many consistent sources.

Oh yeah: I guess the Bannon links are worth repeating in this context too, because it's one of the most mind blowing parts of this whole story, now that he's running the country into the ground.

Here are the links about Steve Bannon (Wired published an article in 2008 before Steve Bannon was widely known as the real President of the United States who dresses as Death, then in 2016 Mother Jones pointed out the old Wired article, and then Wired published another article mentioning it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZOF9q5fzfs

https://www.wired.com/2008/11/ff-ige/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/stephen-bannon-w...

https://www.wired.com/2016/09/trumps-campaign-ceos-little-kn...

Oh yeah #2: thanks to Richard Bartle and Wired, here is the the original Debonneville lawsuit complaint and the amended complaint that Brock Pierce illegitimately and unsuccessfully tried to suppress, which documents in great detail the lurid story of DEN, IGE, the Debonneville lawsuit, "Pierce's Great Cover Up", and discusses Steve Bannon's involvement.

http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~rabartle/debonnevillecomplain...

http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2008/QBlog220208A.html

"Bullies with money are still bullies."

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/archive/images/arti...

30. Steve Bannon ("Bannon") was hired around March 2005 to head the effort of obtaining private equity investment into IGE and eventually take IGE public. All the shareholders wished to cash out on their respective equity in the wildly successful business. From March 2005 to February 2006, Bannon and Pierce's primary focus was on raising investment money for the company. Upon information and belief, during June and July of 2005, Pierce determined that, based on IGE's incredible success, IGE would be valued in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Upon information and belief, Pierce wanted more stock for his own account. Upon information and belief, Pierce developed a scheme whereby he could pressure Yantis into selling his shares of the company for a value far lower than what Pierce believe the stock would be valued once an investment into the company was achieved.

51. In late January of 2006 and throughout February of 2006, Pierce advised Debonneville that Rector was blackmailing Pierce. Pierce stated that Rector was threatening to involve IGE in litigation which would severely cripple the likelihood of closing the GS [Goldman Sachs] investment. Further, Rector was threatening protracted litigation that would harm IGE and kill any future investment potential. It is believed that this was a false statement made by Pierce in January 2006.

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I had always heard the constant murmur of sexual harassment happening in the Valley, but I was never sure if there was any merit to it. I anecdotally had never seen anything that would even come close to a situation like those described, so I kind of brushed it off. But then articles like these come out. Wow. These are some of the kingpins of Silicon Valley shown sexually harassing with hard, factual evidence. I had…

Good grief.

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Why do you seem to be under the impression that BPD is a good proxy for whether someone will make false accusations of sexual harassment?

Parent claims personal experience. I'm not saying that it's right to lump people together like that and BPDs in particular don't take well talking shit about them. However, some people with mental issues in some situations really pull off lies and deception which blow most people's minds. I've been in situations where people in charge wouldn't believe some things happening right under their nose because those things…

>I've been in situations where people in charge wouldn't believe some things happening right under their nose because those things were simply too bold and, well, insane.

This is exactly it.

People also mistake vulnerability for honesty, which is something that borderlines are experts at taking advantage of.

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It would be a good start if he came to this realization on his own, instead of right after being contacted by the New York Times going "Hey, we're going to publish a story about your sexual harassment, do you want to dispute this account".

People make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes go back years, and sometimes a sudden traumatic event can snap someone out of the patterns of behavior they fell into. The point is that it's probably a mistake to treat him the same way you'd treat certain kinds of felons. Part of that is to give him an opportunity to contribute in a positive way to the world, like everyone else. If he's genuine, then isn't there some w…

THIS IS NOT A MISTAKE!

He didn’t spill milk. He didn’t pick the wrong wine for dinner. He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew it was wrong. He did it anyway.

I’m sorry, but I just cannot stand so many people having this “boys will be boys” attitude toward this.

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