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Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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More advisable? Yes. More necessary? No.

Okay then. It took you a while, and a few unnecessary (ho ho ho) downvotes of my posts but we finally agree: The smart move for any male leader is to never spend any 1on1 time with female subordinates, and unfortunately ignore how that might affect her career

To be clear: I do not agree.

How you reach that conclusion and seem to claim that to be an inevitable/logical chain of reasoning is literally beyond my understanding. I started this subthread with the claim that an interesting life is full of risks and that leaders must be willing to take risks that do not have any obvious selfish benefit.

For the record, I have not downvoted a single one of your posts. (You can't downvote posts that are in reply to one of your own anyway, but I haven't downvoted any others either.)

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I've worked with a predominately Woman staffed workforce for most of my professional career. This whole charade of sexism can go fuck itself until the ageism issue of Baby Boomers riding out their job past their expiration date to go collect their pension. It's not a gender issue. It's a getting fucked over as an employee issue. Maddox at XMission had it right that anytime somebody is willing to do a job for less mon…

> I'm seriously tired of this woe-is-me-I'm-a-prisoner-of-my-own-creation narrative. > Right now? I'm being emotionally abused in my current job by a woman. How can I protest? How can I not come off like an asshole for pointing such a thing out? There's no right answer, so go ahead and say it. Okay...

You're complaining about the woe-is-me attitude, then later, basically write "woe is me, I'm being abused and I can't protest"

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This. In taking a new role several years ago, I had selected a woman to be part of my new leadership team. I was counseled by a peer (of sorts) to never take a closed-door 1:1 meeting with her; that it was simply too risky. How the hell am I supposed to run a department without ever having a closed-door 1:1 meeting with 1/4 of my leadership team? I ignored the warning and things of course played out just fine, but it…

I also think the same way. In my experience, most single guys can be divided into two categories, ones who have predatory attitudes for girls or the ones who has fear talking to females. Both are actually bad for the girls.

I forgot it's perfectly fine to objectify men but not women.

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So, does your keyboard only have five characters or do you have something of interest to respond with other than that? I mean, three people have been shot in road rage incidents in Arlington Texas in 4 days because of people being rude and just cutting another person off and thinking it would be fine. If you're going to get in my lane, then show why you felt you deserve it. Seriously. Like it's so fucking foreign a w…

You've been a good community member and I'm sure what you're feeling is for good reason, but you can't post like this to HN. Especially not in a major thread about a divisive topic. I don't want to ban you because I'm sure this is temporary and we've all gone on tilt sometimes. So instead, I'm going to moderate a couple of your comments in addition to the one that was flag-killed above. If after a day or two you're s…

I fail to see how this is a divisive topic.

In no circumstances is it ever okay to sexually harass a person.

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One thing that always makes me very sad is to see women working nearby top males in a company to look nowhere like normal women, but more like top models. Sometimes this happens just because a very beautiful woman is also very smart, but given the frequency of this thing I bet that there are cases of a conscious bias to select hot women. Now if you hire on purpose beautiful women that's a pretty good recipe for disas…

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This entire article is a smorgasbord of cringe: > During the recruiting process, Mr. McClure, a founder of 500 Startups and an investor, sent her a Facebook message that read in part, “I was getting confused figuring out whether to hire you or hit on you.” One would think having the phrases "hire you" and "hit on you" in the same sentence when communicating with someone undergoing recruitment at your company would be…

Wish someone would invest 25k into my startup.

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If the women isn't interested, you stop. Seems like many men have a problem with rejection and accepting no, that's usually when it becomes creepy. Had Gates asked his now SO out and she said no and then he politely went on his way like a respectful human being I really doubt anyone would cry sexual harassment.

> Seems like many men have a problem with rejection and accepting no Women don't have the burden of having to initiate relationships and chase after potential partners

I think there is something of a disconnect for some men with changes in what is culturally acceptable when it comes to mating as well as holdovers from traditional structures.

There are definitely women out there who will ask guys out, but I'd wager, based on my own circumstantial and spotty experiential evidence in my culture, that it's men's responsibility to initiate has generally remained the case. I think guys who are less adept socially/are timid have difficulties resolving this facet of dating with the decreasing tolerance for overstepping boundaries--some dudes get wet feet because they realize they have to initiate but scare themselves out of it because, compounded with their inherent difficulties in socializing, they now build up this ridiculous fear-based narrative wherein their social clumsiness leads to misinterpretations which wind up screwing them way harder than a simple rejection.

This fear, of course, is unfounded. But I do think the mating initiator in most cultures, whether it be men or women, often relies on 'primal' methods in order to go after potential mates--aggressiveness, shows of power, confidence...When it comes to mating we really haven't moved far away from the schemes of any of our other animal brethren--yes we have money, cars, nice clothes, ambitions instead of colorful plummage, but things are otherwise the same--the old playbook. When you utilize this with restraint, all is well. When you let power go to your head and convince you that things are more animal than they really are and that this sort of behavior is always permissable you wind up like one of our lovely VCs here. That is still the case, and dating is of course nuanced--you have to utilize these peacock techniques but recognize a rebuff when you see one and cease your little dance. I think some guys fail to see the nuance and then read these stories correctly condemning jackasses for their behavior but lack the social understanding to realize this doesn't mean they should paralyze themselves out of asking others out, be afraid to initiate at all, or live under the tyranny of some ridiculous fear that if they so much as a approach a woman it will yield a lawsuit.

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Wow, this seems terrible. For these women (and from the sounds of it, many more) to always have to second guess if an investor likes them for good business reasons or whether it's just because they're pretty. To always dread meeting a new business contact, knowing there's a small but substantial chance he'll make some awkward comment. Some thoughts: 1. Is this more common in silicon valley than elsewhere? (I've never…

Let me address your #4:

Expressing romantic attraction to someone can be fraught. One party or other usually has to make some sort of leap, and that leap has the potential to backfire.

So. This is why adults learn how to do two things:

- Thing 1: Read the other person. It's entirely possible to take actions that could lead to romance, but that also allow both parties the ability to gracefully back out. Normal people should accept when the other person gently signals disinterest and attempt to restore the previous relationship. So I can believe that someone could form a solid and real romantic relationship with a subordinate.

But:

- Thing 2: Some people are creepy assholes with shit-bag pick-up lines who clearly don't see or care to see the lines between work and romance. These people say things like: "I was getting confused figuring out whether to hire you or hit on you." Normal adults know that this is inappropriate and wildly uncomfortable (at best) for the target. It frankly feels like the actions of someone who has learned about women through Penthouse letters and porn (depending on their generation). It's like a pizza guy who thinks women opening their doors to pay for pizza are offering a sexual come-on.

Executive summary: Trying to establish a romantic relationship with anyone is tricky, especially if you're already in a position of power. But normal, respectful adults know how to do so in a way that doesn't ruin relationships, offend people, hurt people, or confuse business relationships. Generally they do this by not muddying existing relationships and by by giving the other person a graceful out.

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Wow, thank you for posting for that link! I just finished watching "An Open Secret" for the first time, and it chillingly corroborates most of what Fucked Company humorously presented in that South-Park style documentary, which is how I first heard about the story when Fucked Company covered it contemporaneously. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmaRTZpJgPA https://youtu.be/4eeGX4SlF1s?t=1h8m8s I only learned about ab…

You seem to have forgotten to post a link you intended... The scary thing is that btc is likely the traffickers currency of choice these days. How traceable are btc transactions wrt what types of goods or services are supposedly purchased with btc?

Untraceable if you use a mixer. Why not blacklist coins that have been mixed? It's not hard to figure out whether a coin has been tumbled through e.g. bitcoinfog.

I think most of the resistance to this idea comes from people who've used Silk Road clones, most of which force you to mix your coins. But as bitcoin becomes more valuable and ransomware more prevalent, the argument that silk road is ethical and should therefore be able to function becomes less and less persuasive.

Blacklisting the coins would be easy: Exchanges simply close your account if you receive a large number of BTC that have been tumbled. It's easy to identify the coins and to easy to close the accounts while refunding the coins.

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I think it's important to distinguish that these aren't people who are necessarily assholes to everyone. They have plenty of friends and acquaintances who would never believe they'd do something like this. And others who upon hearing it, would've assumed it was a harmless misunderstanding. I think one of the larger problems that society is struggling with is the idea that two different people can be in very similar p…

How does their niceness in other situations matter?

Because the people who have only witnessed them being "nice" are less likely to hold them accountable when hearing of their terrible behavior with others.
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