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Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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I've worked with a predominately Woman staffed workforce for most of my professional career. This whole charade of sexism can go fuck itself until the ageism issue of Baby Boomers riding out their job past their expiration date to go collect their pension. It's not a gender issue. It's a getting fucked over as an employee issue. Maddox at XMission had it right that anytime somebody is willing to do a job for less mon…

Dude, you need a vacation, haha

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post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So, this shit happens whenever the aggressive, scheming women (or men) see a way to get more for themselves at some seemingly-vulnerable man's (or woman's) expense. These are people with personality disorders (especially Borderline), who can thrive in environments where incessant lying, gaslighting, and life-ruining accusations are rewarded . The current system lets the people with the least morals float to the top,…

I've noticed people on HN never really want to discuss why people like the Uber CEO are sexist I don't think it's fair to characterize Travis as sexist without backing it up with evidence. Travis isn't equal to Uber, and I respect him as an entrepreneur. (Maybe I missed an article claiming he was personally involved in some misconduct, though.)

One anecdote that appears occasionally is about an email that Travis sent to the company in 2013, when the company had a few hundred employees:

"Do not have sex with another employee UNLESS a) you have asked that person for that privilege and they have responded with an emphatic ‘YES! I will have sex with you’ AND b) the two (or more) of you do not work in the same chain of command. Yes, that means that Travis will be celibate on this trip,"

Its nature is interpreted as evidence Travis is sexist by some HN commenters.

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post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, it sounds like she said yes to the first date? Maybe I'm missing part of the story. http://people.com/human-interest/melinda-gates-love-story-bi...

A 34 year old CEO asking a newly hired 23 year old college grad out on a date sounds like sexual harassment to me even if it was just a one time thing.

It certainly raises some interesting quid-pro-quo questions. Every sexual harassment training I've attended has mentioned this as very dangerous territory, but not explicitly sexual harassment.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#364

I've worked with a predominately Woman staffed workforce for most of my professional career. This whole charade of sexism can go fuck itself until the ageism issue of Baby Boomers riding out their job past their expiration date to go collect their pension. It's not a gender issue. It's a getting fucked over as an employee issue. Maddox at XMission had it right that anytime somebody is willing to do a job for less mon…

Dude, you need a vacation, haha

My boss has 5,400 emails in the Inbox and I have 42.

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If you want to be taken seriously and you value your career more than attracting men, cut your hair short, no makeup, and wear a suit. if you come to my meeting dolled up, you either aren't serious or you're using it as an advantage. I don't hit on women I do business with. But I take them much more seriously when they come to me on the merits of their business. Only. This is business deal. Not a mixer. Like I said, I don't hit on women I do business with. But if you don't like guys who do, dress to signal that this is about money, not looking pretty.

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post #345

You don't stop. Not if you want the girl. Movies, friends and family have taught us otherwise. You have to fight for the girl, right? And it works! You know, I have a friend who, when she goes out, she always tell the guys she has a boyfriend. She doesn't really. She just wants to weed out the weak men not willing to fight for her. This is not some stupid bimbo either, she has a PhD. And she's not the only one of my…

This sarcasm is very close to sounding earnest. I'm not even sure it's sarcasm.

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I've worked with a predominately Woman staffed workforce for most of my professional career. This whole charade of sexism can go fuck itself until the ageism issue of Baby Boomers riding out their job past their expiration date to go collect their pension. It's not a gender issue. It's a getting fucked over as an employee issue. Maddox at XMission had it right that anytime somebody is willing to do a job for less mon…

> I'm seriously tired of this woe-is-me-I'm-a-prisoner-of-my-own-creation narrative. > Right now? I'm being emotionally abused in my current job by a woman. How can I protest? How can I not come off like an asshole for pointing such a thing out? There's no right answer, so go ahead and say it. Okay...

So, does your keyboard only have five characters or do you have something of interest to respond with other than that? I mean, three people have been shot in road rage incidents in Arlington Texas in 4 days because of people being rude and just cutting another person off and thinking it would be fine. If you're going to get in my lane, then show why you felt you deserve it. Seriously.

Like it's so fucking foreign a woman can be an abuser.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed people on HN never really want to discuss why people like the Uber CEO are sexist I don't think it's fair to characterize Travis as sexist without backing it up with evidence. Travis isn't equal to Uber, and I respect him as an entrepreneur. (Maybe I missed an article claiming he was personally involved in some misconduct, though.)

One anecdote that appears occasionally is about an email that Travis sent to the company in 2013, when the company had a few hundred employees: "Do not have sex with another employee UNLESS a) you have asked that person for that privilege and they have responded with an emphatic ‘YES! I will have sex with you’ AND b) the two (or more) of you do not work in the same chain of command. Yes, that means that Travis will b…

For what it's worth, I've given that incident a bit of thought. He was speaking to a group of 400 people. Unless we're of the opinion that under no circumstances is it ok for one coworker to have sex with another, establishing clear guidelines seems appropriate. The comment about himself seems more tongue in cheek given the overall tone of the rest of the email: https://pastebin.com/RZJkzQd6

In general, it seems more productive to reserve outrage for those who take advantage of employees or founders by using their position of power.

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post #159

What are your thoughts on women with borderline personality disorder abusing an environment in which the burden of proof is placed entirely on the defendant?

You are saying there is a chance a bad actor might abuse a social dynamic in which you are the less powerful participant?

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

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post #159

What are your thoughts on women with borderline personality disorder abusing an environment in which the burden of proof is placed entirely on the defendant?

You are saying there is a chance a bad actor might abuse a social dynamic in which you are the less powerful participant?
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