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Incomprehensible job titles are an elitist affectation

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Re: Incomprehensible job titles are an elitist affectation

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> Yet a nationally representative study of 1,000 British adults, with which I assisted, found that 75% of British adults thought “scrum master” was a fake job title, or didn’t know for sure if it was real. I think this bit misses the point. "Scrum master" is pretty descriptive and explicit if you are the least bit familiar with Scrum methodology . Unlike the other examples which are intentionally obscure and playful,…

To be fair, I'm in tech, have known actual "scrum masters", and still don't think it's a real job title.

It's more like ”JIRA wrangler“ at most places I've worked. We just tools so heavy that managing them is a full-time job. Bugzilla never had this problem.

Re: Incomprehensible job titles are an elitist affectation

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Any industry will have weird sounding titles. The different is that in IT some have only existed for a few years so they havn't had time to work their way into general public culture. A quick scan of my local jobs boards finds the following exotic titles: * Gib stopper * Manual Materials Handler- Sample Crushing * Hammerhand * Class 2 Civil Driver * Shot Firer * Kaiawhina * Precaster * Dogman * Assistant Greenkeeper…

What is your estimation of when the titles of Guru, Rockstar and Ninja will work their way in popular culture, and the responsibilities will be well understood at least within the industry?

Re: Incomprehensible job titles are an elitist affectation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... it's like: "go watch a bunch of movie credits and try to tell me what even a handful of the infinite number of weirdly specific and awkwardly named jobs actually do"; I mean... "best boy grip"? http://mentalfloss.com/article/50626/11-strange-movie-job-ti...

That's not the main point of the article though. I assume everyone in the industry knows what a best boy grip is; the problem is when the position for best boy grip is advertised as Lightning-and-Thunder Master Ninja or Rockstar Illumination Guru.

that's not the point of the quoted paragraph though. this article makes at least two points: non-descriptive titles are ridiculous to people who would apply to them, and descriptive titles are ridiculous to people who would never apply to them

Re: Incomprehensible job titles are an elitist affectation

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IMHO, even "developer" is a stupid job title which shoud be replaced by a more descriptive one like "computer programmer" or "software engineer".

Computer programmer is fine. Software engineer... I think the argument about what qualifies you as a real engineer comes up every other day on HN.

Re: Incomprehensible job titles are an elitist affectation

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Full-stack Engineer is a perfectly descriptive job title. This is my favorite stupid job title, though: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shing

Self proclaimed "Thought Leader" and "Digital Prophet" sounds rather egomaniacal. I just assume anyone with titles like that is trying to sell synergy and snake oil.

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Re: Incomprehensible job titles are an elitist affectation

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Oddly enough, a few things come into play:

1. It's hard to describe what you do, to someone who doesn't understand what you do.

2. This isn't a new problem.

3. There are actually fewer official U.S. Census occupation codes today (545 as of the 2000 census) than in 1920 (587). Much of that explosion had to do with railroads.

I did some research on this a few years back.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3832wx/occupat...

The Iron Horse gave us such classifications as:

* Baggagemen and freight agents

* Motormen

* Switchmen, flagmen, and yardmen

* Express, post, telegraph, and telephone, selected occupations

* Express messengers

* Inspectors

Or we could turn, as The Conversation hails from Britain, to the UK Census classifications of 1851, 1861, and 1871, for: joiner, beermaker, gamekeeper (this sounds suspiciously SV, probably growth-hacking on the side), worsted manufacturer (but no "bested manufacturer"), hose manufacturer ("laying pipe..."), hawker, huckster, jockey, straw hat and bonnet maker (don't confuse your boots and bonnets), protestant dissenting minister, ropermaker (in cahoots with the hoseist, we surmise), staymaker (someone who stickifies the gamekeepers gamified websites, obviously), currier (but no ives), wine and spirit merchant (good, not evil, spirts, one hopes), boilermaker, Chelsea pensioner, commercial traveller (ads delivery and reach?), and weaver not otherwise described.

And, ah, yes, to the pedants, I'm aware of the original contexts of these descriptions.

The point is that, especially at times of dynamic change and specialisation, new distinctions become important.

Overblown? In cases, yes. The value of jobs titles is both for internal and external communications and comparison, as with most protocols.

"Astro" Teller, by the way, is the grandson of a gentleman who's known for a few particularly bright points in mid-20th century history, of which there's some residual glow.

Speaking of which, my favourite jobs title remains that from the 1880 U.S. Census classification, #309, "Gentleman".

Re: Incomprehensible job titles are an elitist affectation

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Recruiters also constantly write about how they are searching for "The best ...".

I mean, know many people who are better developers than me, so I'm certainly not the best. I'm always thinking "Then why write me??"

Sometimes they are hiring for a global corp and I kinda can understand that biggest players need the best people and also can pay the best people.

But when some recruiter comes and talks about how he searches the best talent for a job in some no-name company, I can't help but chuckle.

I worked for a few startups and the hiring managers always said two things "I need good people, but there aren't any on the marked!" and "I interviewed someone who was really great, but too expensive."

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