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Re: The .feedback scam

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Post by krisdol »

Asooka wrote: post #99
thecloud wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 22 years of living in germany, ive never once heard anyone use that atrocity of a word or anything close to it - I guess it's a joke-word from the tv series How I met your mother making fun of the fact that many complex german words are just glued together from other words, eg. Krankenhaus ("ill building" or "building for the ill"). This does not mean that every compound word you theoretically could form is actual…

Yep. Anything with more than one of "schaft", "stand", "gegen", "-biet", etc., is either a joke, or a government office.

Bietstandgegenwitgeschaft is real though

Re: The .feedback scam

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Post by losteric »

soneil wrote: post #66
losteric wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's hope they don't learn about this thing called "SEO"

I'm not sure how much that'll really help. It doesn't take too much imagination to think that perhaps Google's heuristics will rank this TLD poorly. Trying to scam google over $600 feels like a poor strategy for a scam that depends on being discovered.

They aren't going to scam Google, or any legally capable entity.

I imagine they will follow the Yelp scam model - post bad reviews against smaller companies, out so them, and charge to remove the malicious information.

Re: The .feedback scam

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Post by dragonwriter »

crispytx wrote: post #126

Scammers like this give capitalism a bad name.

> Scammers like this give capitalism a bad name.

I dunno, between tobacco companies, oil companies, and the earlier thongs pretty much every major industry did that stimulated the labor movement from the 19th Century into the early 20th, these guys are small fry. Capitalism gives capitalism a bad name.

Re: The .feedback scam

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Post by vardump »

vuln wrote: post #125
Beltiras wrote: post #122

www.amazon.feedback redirects to amazon.com login page. They paid the extortion?

Probably does a 302 redirect and drops in their affiliate#. Easy income.

  HTTP/1.1 302 Found
  Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:59:36 GMT
  Server: Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu)
  location: http://www.amazon.com/feedback
  Content-Length: 0
  Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Can that "/feedback" be an affiliate ID?

Re: The .feedback scam

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Post by thinbeige »

Slightly OT: This reminds me of Glassdoor. Glassdoor is more subtle but has a similar business model.

Pay for the 'employer branding' package way more than 600/year (rather per month) and you get rid of the worst employee feedbacks.

Re: The .feedback scam

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Post by giobox »

r1ch wrote: post #106

Aren't all ICANN accredited registrars bound by the UDRP[1]? It seems like any domain registered "on behalf" of a company could easily be taken down / claimed by the UDRP process. [1] https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/help/dndr/udrp-en

Yup you're right, there's effectively no way to avoid the UDRP with domain names, with very few exceptions, usually around country code TLDs. These domains should be relatively trivial to take down for big stakeholders I'd have thought, if the experience of the UDRP case load over '.sucks' domains is anything to go by. That and of course the UDRP's well studied and documented bias towards large trademark holders thanks to the "pursuer pays" business model they use. I'd imagine a compelling argument can be drafted that these are bad faith registrations of another company's registered mark, especially if you look at the criteria the UDRP uses.

Interestingly, their CEO has claimed that .feedback is 'UDRP proof', which is laughable if you are at all familiar with the way in which the system has worked in the past: http://domainincite.com/19736-tls-says-feedback-will-be-udrp...

I'm always surprised how few people in the software industry know anything about the UDRP, especially in light of some of its incredibly questionable decisions over the years, and the huge impact it can have on a software business. It's pretty interesting as one of the few large scale examples of a privatized court system, and also one of the only globally enforceable trademark systems ever conceived (thanks to ICANN's total control of the DNS system), much to the annoyance of many non-US governments.

Re: The .feedback scam

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Post by pawy »

Doesn't Trademark protect them ? I thought that a simple request could take down such domain names. (1000 buck per name if I recall)

Re: The .feedback scam

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Post by Renevith »

linkregister wrote: post #86
phantom_oracle wrote: post #27

On the topic of scams, has anyone ever discovered what ICANN did with the enormous amount of money it raised by selling these TLDs at a premium? I recall .blog being purchased by Automattic for 15-20M (that being just 1 example). ICANN is to tech what the SEC is to finance: A corporate revolving-door where you join to do your corporate-masters bidding and then move back to your 7-figure job.

Can you substantiate that a bit more? Is that even how it works in the SEC?

That how the conspiracy-minded assume it works because it fits their world view better, but there's little evidence to support it. Insightful finance journalist (and former investment banker) Matt Levine often suggests that the revolving-door incentives are the reverse: Create tough and complicated regulations while you work at the SEC so that a big bank will have to hire you to help navigate those regulations.

Some examples where he has written about this issue: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11545117

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