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Post by rurban »

CaliforniaKarl wrote: post #24
badminton1 wrote: post #17

By spreading FUD in this way, I wouldn't be surprised if major conferences happening in SF start moving to other countries: Apple WWDC, GDC, Google I/O, Salesforce's Dreamforce, Oracle's JavaOne... many people go through significant effort to cost their travel and it's no fun that with no notice you can get sent back home. Really dumb move.

To be honest, I don't think San Francisco conferences being impacted would cause any movement in policy. Assuming that conferences moving would even impact policy in the first place, I'd expect Las Vegas conferences to be the ones that trigger change. Just on the tech side, Black Hat/DefCon and CES immediately come to mind. Las Vegas relies very much on conferences, and at least one casino/resort owner (Sheldon Adels…

They started denying all Chinese visitors of security conferences in Las Vegas in bulk a few years ago already. Our local CIA/NSA guy was very proud of it. "Not welcome!" he said.

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jonnybgood wrote: post #57
jacquesm wrote: post #26

Someone asked me today when I was going to visit the US again. I told them never . That is, not until this madness stops. The US now treats citizens from allied countries as enemies and that's just plain rude and not called for. There isn't a shred of evidence that any of this has made America safer in any way and it would be pretty easy to argue that it has made America less safe on account of pissing off large numb…

> The US now treats citizens from allied countries as enemies and that's just plain rude and not called for. Alliances are made between governments, not the citizenry. What if the US thinks there's a threat to it within the citizenry of an allied country? What should the US do?

If a "travel ban" or "muslim ban" or (apparently) "guy who coded curl ban" was actually in any way effective, by any yardstick, at reducing danger to the US, then perhaps some action would be warranted. But this is completely hypothetical. I think history will judge Trump and his apologists very harshly.

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rurban wrote: post #70
idkfa wrote: post #52

People coming to unstable states like US or Ukraine, balancing on the edge of government collapse, should expect such things to happen with pretty high probability. I really can't see why this could be surprising at all.

Actually Ukraine is the stable escape strategy for conferences which should have been held in Russia. Latia is also quite popular, but Ukraine is the usual target to escape Russia's strange visa handling. I wonder what will be the escape country for the US situation. Canada or Mexico.

It seems to me that Japan would be better place to hold tech conferences than any other country right now

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

germanier wrote: post #66
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I overheard a German visa officer tell an American that it was totally illegal for them to work if they just came as a visitor. That can't be right. You are definitely allowed to work on a visa waiver in Austria and as far as I know it's the same in Germany if the company you work for applies for a permit. That is independently of the purpose of the visa. In Austria at least all visas do not permit you to seek empl…

No, the situation is different in Germany. You are not allowed to work under a visa waiver. The permit is something you personally apply for and not the company. Some time ago the permits regulating work and stay were unified so you only get issued one thing that contains everything. Some residence titles give you access to the whole labour market, some are coupled to a specific job, some don't allow you to work at a…

Ah. Interesting. That was decoupled in Austria and since we steal all the things from Germany I assumed it was the same there.

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idkfa wrote: post #73
rurban wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually Ukraine is the stable escape strategy for conferences which should have been held in Russia. Latia is also quite popular, but Ukraine is the usual target to escape Russia's strange visa handling. I wonder what will be the escape country for the US situation. Canada or Mexico.

It seems to me that Japan would be better place to hold tech conferences than any other country right now

Been to a tech conference in Japan. Extremely expensive, and nobody speaks English. Europe still holds the best options.

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Post by jacquesm »

jonnybgood wrote: post #57
jacquesm wrote: post #26

Someone asked me today when I was going to visit the US again. I told them never . That is, not until this madness stops. The US now treats citizens from allied countries as enemies and that's just plain rude and not called for. There isn't a shred of evidence that any of this has made America safer in any way and it would be pretty easy to argue that it has made America less safe on account of pissing off large numb…

> The US now treats citizens from allied countries as enemies and that's just plain rude and not called for. Alliances are made between governments, not the citizenry. What if the US thinks there's a threat to it within the citizenry of an allied country? What should the US do?

> What should the US do?

Focus on the threat, not ban the whole bloody country or make all travelers from that country suffer somehow. Really this is a totally disproportional response. Note that this specific individual was blocked whereas you hypothesize a general threat, the two have nothing to do with each other unless you're aware of the Curl author being up to no good.

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