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Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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I don't mind elaborating. I need to know which parts of the American voting record concerns you to be specific though. I will say that America is very diverse. Various states and postal codes have wildly different attitudes about things and very few Americans want to change or homogenize that.

For instance: I know that Texas is a red state but was quite surprised to find out that the largest urban centres are actually blue. And it seems that this trend follows all along the country, large urbanised areas are blue (even in red states) while the countryside votes more for the GOP, meaning a more conservative worldview (and that clashes with the statement "courteous, helpful, hospitable people that are very t…

> I understand that people from the countryside can be seen as kinder towards people they like but my impression is that hatred and prejudice is much more prevalent there...

That's not my experience at all. I dealt with more overt racism in NYC than any tiny red state town, and I've spent plenty of time in both. There are racist people everywhere, but even in rural areas, they tend to be ignorant and antisocial so they are not really in any position to oppress anyone.

People tend to mistake talking heads on TV for actual people. People also tend to mistake voting patterns for personal quality of character. There's a caricature on TV (a bigoted one IMO) that small towns are full of shirtless racist rednecks that throw beer cans at all minorities that wander in town. That's because it's a useful trope and an easy way to advance a narrative. Every all town church I'm aware of sends missionaries overseas to build schools, wells, etc. That doesn't mesh with the "we hate foreigners" narrative. I had dinner in a tiny red state town last week. The most popular place in town is run by Mexican immigrants. And it's thriving. Life is more complicated than most media lets on.

Even if we narrowed everything down to political views, the traditional red state view is that diversity in government (federalism) provides better prosperity, diversity, justice, freedom, and so on. Most red state types are fine leaving Colorado with its marijuana and Nevada with its brothels. They value the ability to self determine more than they value the ability to control other people.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

Which website is NOT US-centric? The whole internet is US centric like Reddit, stackoverflow, quora, XDA, 4chan. All the major sites are based in US. Honestly, which are the non US-centric sites in English language?

Anything from Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, a decent chunk of content from mainland Europe (where English is a very common second language, and is used extensively as a common language when dealing with those in other countries)..

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Which website is NOT US-centric? The whole internet is US centric like Reddit, stackoverflow, quora, XDA, 4chan. All the major sites are based in US. Honestly, which are the non US-centric sites in English language?

BBC News The Guardian And much as I hate to say it: The Mail online

Mail Online is hatred-centric, but is definitely English. Much to our shame.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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post #200
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Nice and Cannes, France are great places for conferences. We'll gladly have you guys over here :)

I'd rather go to Bordeaux, Montpellier or Rennes to attend a conference :)

Those are great choices as well.

Rennes is kind of a pain to get to, when coming from abroad, but the town and the people there rock !

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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post #67

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

The US has generally been quite isolationist. Both before WW1 and before WW2 there were really strong isolationist currents in US politics. I think that it's part of the "Chine syndrome": they're big, kind of isolated and mostly self-sufficient (or perceive themselves to be so). People seem to have forgotten that the US opening during and after WW2 turned the US into the world's #1 super power. I guess it's hard to l…

>The US has generally been quite isolationist.

Complete propaganda, the US tried to avoid European wars while profiting off them as much as possible. During this, they conquered huge areas of Native American, Mexican, Asian, and South American lands.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Which website is NOT US-centric? The whole internet is US centric like Reddit, stackoverflow, quora, XDA, 4chan. All the major sites are based in US. Honestly, which are the non US-centric sites in English language?

BBC News The Guardian And much as I hate to say it: The Mail online

But what viewpoint is the Mail representing?

The Daily Mail seems almost entirely Daily Mail centric, reflecting nothing more than it's own bubble of reactionary bile and oxymoronic smug self-loathing.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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post #144

We didn't elect Donald Trump. He was installed by the Russian government.

Well ... Trump lied to a bunch of disenfranchised blue-collar workers and added them to the patriotic isolationists. If you weren't part of that group but had previously voted republican, you probably wouldn't vote for Clinton either.

My biggest hope is that this lasts only four years (or less) and that a) the two major parties come to their senses or b) we end up with more than two viable parties.

For those of us in the U.S. who are sane (but surrounded), I'll simply say "I'm very sorry Daniel". P.S. I use cURL most every day - thanks!

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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post #53

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

As someone who just filled out their DS-160 visa application and paid money for the application and now being left alone due to the new "travel ban" (wife and mother in law Iranian) I just say: let this country be alone for a while. I don't know when the US government (and the voters) will gain back consciousness and be part of the international community again in a positive way. Other countries are much more open ri…

Yep, even Rightscon (human rights and tech conference) has shifted to Canada next year, instead of it's usual rotation to San Francisco...Basically because a huge chunk of participants probably wouldn't be allowed into the US.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

I can understand some level of isolationism, but hell this is shooting yourself in the foot with a machine gun. USA used to be the place people dreamed to go, now it's the place they'll avoid thinking about. If they think they can do everything alone, then good luck. Often history happened at crossroads, not dead ends.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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post #144

We didn't elect Donald Trump. He was installed by the Russian government.

Alas, this excuse won't get you out of the conundrum. Its one thing to take zero responsibility for the actions of your government, and by definition, ones own people .. but its another thing entirely to continue to fail to take responsibility in face of the disaster.

He's not your President, okay .. we get it, Americans. He's not our (non-American) President, either. But .. Russia or no Russia .. YOU are the only ones who can do anything effective about this disaster.

So, start taking responsibility and quit the whining, kids. America is a disaster waiting to happen: DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

(Don't wait for Russia to fix it.)

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