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iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by ggpsv »

tambourine_man wrote: post #87

If Adobe releases its Creative Suite and Apple decides the iPad is big enough to run Xcode, the Mac is in trouble. And I think that's fine, even being a die hard Mac user with 30 years of usage under my belt. The hardware is simply amazing and the software is finally coming of age.

Honestly, I see very little appeal in working with iOS as a professional software developer. Both from a form-factor to OS perspective, I'd feel very limited and would not be as productive as I can be with a Mac or PC.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

canuckintime wrote: post #90
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4 finger swipe left/right is the best option on iOS 10 imo - it's about as good as the 3d touch swipe on iPhone.

3D touch swipe for switching apps is removed in iOS11

Seriously? That's the best use of it.. Is there a replacement?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by 6Typos »

supercoder wrote: post #85
clw8 wrote: post #73

Until I hear that Xcode for iPad Pro is in the works I'll be holding onto my first gen Air. Otherwise there's no point spending a grand when my $200 touchscreen convertible Chromebook does all the tablety things I need and runs Linux beautifully.

I don't think Chromebook runs Xcode either

What the parent is saying is that it is useless to buy a new iPad, because he already has a Chromebook. If iOS 11 brought XCode, then he would buy a new one, because it would have one more important feature (XCode).

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #61
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4 finger swipe left/right is the best option on iOS 10 imo - it's about as good as the 3d touch swipe on iPhone.

And this is discoverable how?

Well obviously you go into settings, then general, then multitasking even though it's not really multitasking, and then you notice that under the gestures on/off slider thing there's a description of the 4/5 finger gestures. Btw the others are pinch to home screen and swipe up to app switcher. I only knew about the swipe left/right one .. I think I probably saw it on an advert maybe? I have no idea how you're supposed to discover it.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

#95

Post by jdminhbg »

wildmusings wrote: post #6

It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.

> It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch.

There's no core functionality hidden behind 3D touch on the iPad, not least because the iPad doesn't have any 3D touch capability.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

#96

Post by lawkwok »

notadoc wrote: post #78
rhinoceraptor wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new lock screen makes a lot of sense on the newer iPhones. They have raise to wake, and the newer touch ID sensors are so fast that you can't press the home button without unlocking it immediately. If you want to see your notifications, just pick up the phone and swipe down from the top (since the screen will turn on automatically).

> The new lock screen makes a lot of sense on the newer iPhones. Sure, but have you used it on an older phone? Just recently I was trying to explain how to unlock an iPhone 6 hand-me-down to a relative by pressing on the Home button now that slide to unlock is gone. They initiated Siri 90% of the time instead of unlocking the phone. Is that good UX?

I know the “user is never wrong”, but sometimes it is up to the user to learn how to use an interface. I’m not saying I don’t have relatives with the same issue, but I would hope that we don’t design interfaces to cater to those who don’t care to learn the difference between “hold” and “press”. These verbs aren’t even technology-specific.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by xwvvvvwx »

dceddia wrote: post #62
epistasis wrote: post #15

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Can't completely agree there. Contextual menus by right-click (or ctrl-click) have been core since OS X came out in 2000. (I would distinguish between "core" meaning extremely useful and effective, as opposed to "essential" meaning the only possible way to accomplish a task. Right click is still not "essential," just very useful.) And back in the pre OS X days, tons of functionality was "hidden" with the option key.…

Lots of magical things are still hidden behind modifier keys. Option-click the wifi icon: special diagnostics info Option-click the bluetooth icon: diagnostics info Shift-Option-click the bluetooth icon: debug menu Hold option while resizing a window: resize from both sides at once (see gif: https://twitter.com/dceddia/status/859518600931143680 )

other nice ones:

- option + click on audio -> choose audio in + out

- option + drag on columns in finder -> resize all columns

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

#98

Post by colept »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #68
notadoc wrote: post #44

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Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

The new lock screen makes a lot of sense on the newer iPhones. They have raise to wake, and the newer touch ID sensors are so fast that you can't press the home button without unlocking it immediately. If you want to see your notifications, just pick up the phone and swipe down from the top (since the screen will turn on automatically).

I disagree.

The new lock screen/notification center combo is an abomination. I have an iPhone 6S Plus and am considering downgrading to iOS10 or jailbreaking solely because of the notification center fubar.

For the longest time, and made better in iOS10 - our primary mode of unfolding UI was directional. You swipe up and you get the control center. Swipe down to see your notifications.

Now we have this half brained implementation where direction is now secondary to virtual anchors. Swipe up to see your lock screen and last few notifications. Then swipe up to see older notifications. But don't swipe up from too far down or else you get your control center.

This is ironic given how terrible the iOS10 control center was with it's multi-direction paginating views. They appeared to learn their lesson and fixed the usability issue in their latest major revision. But here we are again, and it's terrible.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

#100

Post by notadoc »

lawkwok wrote: post #96
notadoc wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The new lock screen makes a lot of sense on the newer iPhones. Sure, but have you used it on an older phone? Just recently I was trying to explain how to unlock an iPhone 6 hand-me-down to a relative by pressing on the Home button now that slide to unlock is gone. They initiated Siri 90% of the time instead of unlocking the phone. Is that good UX?

I know the “user is never wrong”, but sometimes it is up to the user to learn how to use an interface. I’m not saying I don’t have relatives with the same issue, but I would hope that we don’t design interfaces to cater to those who don’t care to learn the difference between “hold” and “press”. These verbs aren’t even technology-specific.

I would argue that good design should never be confusing and prevent errors and guess work to begin with.
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