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iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by passivepinetree »

dceddia wrote: post #62
epistasis wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't completely agree there. Contextual menus by right-click (or ctrl-click) have been core since OS X came out in 2000. (I would distinguish between "core" meaning extremely useful and effective, as opposed to "essential" meaning the only possible way to accomplish a task. Right click is still not "essential," just very useful.) And back in the pre OS X days, tons of functionality was "hidden" with the option key.…

Lots of magical things are still hidden behind modifier keys. Option-click the wifi icon: special diagnostics info Option-click the bluetooth icon: diagnostics info Shift-Option-click the bluetooth icon: debug menu Hold option while resizing a window: resize from both sides at once (see gif: https://twitter.com/dceddia/status/859518600931143680 )

Thanks for posting this; I had no idea about any of these. Is there somewhere where tips like these might be compiled?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by FussyZeus »

kartan wrote: post #64

I'm planning to buy a Microsoft Surface Pro because Android and iOS tablets have very limited Operating Systems. So I think that some of this changes go in the right direction, for tablets at least. On long trips, to Japan or the USA, I usually travel with an iPad and a Macbook (1 or 2 phones, 2 digital cameras). It has worked well. Next time I'm trying to get around with just one device that allows me to move around…

Speaking as someone using 11 on an iPad Pro 12.5", I would take this (and will be taking this) over my Surface Pro 3. The screen is amazing, the new multitasking features are great, the battery life even on the beta destroys the Surface, I could keep going on but really this is a very laptop replacing device, for me. As usual YMMV, but seriously this can cover probably 90% of what I use my laptop for in a mobile setting.

Addressing my itch of curiousness: Why carry 2 phones?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by clw8 »

Until I hear that Xcode for iPad Pro is in the works I'll be holding onto my first gen Air. Otherwise there's no point spending a grand when my $200 touchscreen convertible Chromebook does all the tablety things I need and runs Linux beautifully.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by epistasis »

dceddia wrote: post #62
epistasis wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't completely agree there. Contextual menus by right-click (or ctrl-click) have been core since OS X came out in 2000. (I would distinguish between "core" meaning extremely useful and effective, as opposed to "essential" meaning the only possible way to accomplish a task. Right click is still not "essential," just very useful.) And back in the pre OS X days, tons of functionality was "hidden" with the option key.…

Lots of magical things are still hidden behind modifier keys. Option-click the wifi icon: special diagnostics info Option-click the bluetooth icon: diagnostics info Shift-Option-click the bluetooth icon: debug menu Hold option while resizing a window: resize from both sides at once (see gif: https://twitter.com/dceddia/status/859518600931143680 )

This just made me go and investigate the rest of my menu bar items.

Option-click the sidebar icon: turn notifications on and off.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by 013a »

notadoc wrote: post #44
wildmusings wrote: post #6

It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.

Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

You must know some very odd people.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by notadoc »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #67
notadoc wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like that too, but how many users know about that? 0.5%? Is it obvious and intuitive?

How many computer users can operate a command line interface? It's not obvious or intuitive but obviously very powerful.

You really think the command line is of comparable complexity to simple text selection?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by danso »

bshimmin wrote: post #69

I'm slightly terrified that this update is going to confuse the hell out of my ageing parents, who find the simplicity, lack of meaningful support for multitasking, and absence of the Dock, to be key selling points of their iPad.

You posted exactly what I was thinking. I recently gave my parents my iPad Air 4th gen and orienting them to it was an eye-opening experience. They are retired but they both worked as programmers (think COBOL-era). I've owned an iPad since launch day and so many features that feel instinctive -- double-tap home button to bring up apps, slide-down-from-top to see notifications -- are decidedly not. And that's before you get to the confusion of what's the difference between logging into email via the browser, versus a specialized app.

And then there's me. I got myself an iPad Pro, one of the 9.7 inch models that Apple didn't see fit to put 3D-touch on. It took me a long time to realize that the reason I couldn't delete items from the core TV app was because the delete functionality, which used to work on a long touch, was deprecated for 3D-touch. The amount of no-shits given by Apple designers toward long-time users with year-old devices still amazes me. Making iOS more like a computer is appealing to me, but I feel bad for the non-professionals who are likely to be super confused.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by notadoc »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #68
notadoc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

The new lock screen makes a lot of sense on the newer iPhones. They have raise to wake, and the newer touch ID sensors are so fast that you can't press the home button without unlocking it immediately. If you want to see your notifications, just pick up the phone and swipe down from the top (since the screen will turn on automatically).

> The new lock screen makes a lot of sense on the newer iPhones.

Sure, but have you used it on an older phone?

Just recently I was trying to explain how to unlock an iPhone 6 hand-me-down to a relative by pressing on the Home button now that slide to unlock is gone. They initiated Siri 90% of the time instead of unlocking the phone. Is that good UX?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by canuckintime »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #68
notadoc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

The new lock screen makes a lot of sense on the newer iPhones. They have raise to wake, and the newer touch ID sensors are so fast that you can't press the home button without unlocking it immediately. If you want to see your notifications, just pick up the phone and swipe down from the top (since the screen will turn on automatically).

iPhone SE doesn't count as a 'newer iPhone' anymore?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by tylerpachal »

FussyZeus wrote: post #72
kartan wrote: post #64

I'm planning to buy a Microsoft Surface Pro because Android and iOS tablets have very limited Operating Systems. So I think that some of this changes go in the right direction, for tablets at least. On long trips, to Japan or the USA, I usually travel with an iPad and a Macbook (1 or 2 phones, 2 digital cameras). It has worked well. Next time I'm trying to get around with just one device that allows me to move around…

Speaking as someone using 11 on an iPad Pro 12.5", I would take this (and will be taking this) over my Surface Pro 3. The screen is amazing, the new multitasking features are great, the battery life even on the beta destroys the Surface, I could keep going on but really this is a very laptop replacing device, for me. As usual YMMV, but seriously this can cover probably 90% of what I use my laptop for in a mobile sett…

Perhaps a work phone and a personal phone?
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