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I've switched to Firefox and DuckDuckGo and started moving non-tech people over (and they seem happy enough too). It's not in our interest to let the whole tech market consolidate into 5 walled gardens
There's a deep irony in AMP also, purely anecdotally it doesn't seem to help with slow connections. I'm traveling and as such my US carrier restricts me to 2G speeds while roaming somehow, which is resulting in me seeing a lot of butchered pages. As the author mentions: > AMP tries to load an image only when it becomes visible to the user, rendering a white square instead of the image. In my experience I’ve seen it f…
It's hard to believe how bloated many modern websites are, before trying to load them over 2G. We're talking megabytes of data and tens of connections to display what should be a 20kB of text.
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I am not saying exactly that Google is evil, and maybe they don't even have bad intentions (heck, we are talking about a corporate identity here, how far can we apply morals?). But, what I am thinking is that AMP and its rivals (such as Instant Articles) hurt the free & open Web. For instance, Google Search is invaluable, but as a side effect, a website that doesn't end up on the first page of a Google Search result…
i would expect that content producers will start putting in abreviated versions of their content in AMP format to satisfy the AMP requirement as minimially as possible, and then add a link back to the original site for the rest.
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> I fail to see what, in AMP, makes the web less free or open. Google serving your pages? Hijacking your domain for the server pages and obscuring links to the original content? Use of a proprietary technology (whether open sourced or not, it's not a standard)? Abuse of power with veiled threats of punishing content publishers who are not using recommending AMP to make their pages "fast and responsive"? The only way…
> The only way to be any more against the free and open web is if they made Google search a web proxy where you never get access to the underlying page... Give it some time. They are pulling more and more content into the search results pages which has roughly that effect, since people no longer click through.
- definition of a word
- lyrics of a song
- summary of a movie
- phone number and/or address of a business
- distance between places
- unit or currency conversions
- weather
So while I don't want to see Google monopolizing the Internet, I also don't like the model in which information is served by individual web pages (which can, and do, disappear all the time and get replaced by something different). So I wonder - how can we promote and develop the open web, while also making it better and more productive for people?
Maybe if people served data streams instead of web pages, things would be easier? Related, I'm all for every kind of way of taking control over the way a page looks away from their authors. The Web is increasingly becoming a place for designers to show off, and this wastes both users' time and resources. Ad blockers, noscript and reader modes are huge wins in this space, but I think we need more. Maybe some self-hosted auto scrappers that would help me answer my information queries without actually visiting full pages?
If everyone creates fast websites that don't suck, Google will consider AMP a success and kill the format.
They want the Google nav buttons on your site to keep the user inside their experience
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I am not saying exactly that Google is evil, and maybe they don't even have bad intentions (heck, we are talking about a corporate identity here, how far can we apply morals?). But, what I am thinking is that AMP and its rivals (such as Instant Articles) hurt the free & open Web. For instance, Google Search is invaluable, but as a side effect, a website that doesn't end up on the first page of a Google Search result…
i would expect that content producers will start putting in abreviated versions of their content in AMP format to satisfy the AMP requirement as minimially as possible, and then add a link back to the original site for the rest.
I think that’s a good idea, but I fear some users won’t realize there’s more or may not understand the abrupt change in layout/design/etc.
Good! I stand firmly against AMP and the centralisation of the web, it's a predatory move to increase Google's prevalence online, and one I will not be supporting with any of my upcoming projects.
You remember Akamai, right? AMP is just another CDN. Back in the 90s, when Akamai was fighting to establish themselves, you'd see tons of fetches from hosts like a123.d.akamai.com on big name properties like CNN. Nowadays it's pretty much hidden, and pervasive. Google is attempting to entrench a reverse proxy cache the same way Akamai has for years. AMP is nothing new. The only difference here is that they make it ob…
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> The only way to be any more against the free and open web is if they made Google search a web proxy where you never get access to the underlying page... Give it some time. They are pulling more and more content into the search results pages which has roughly that effect, since people no longer click through.
Interestingly, assuming it works well, that's kind of exactly what I want as a user. Whenever I'm searching for one of the following (which form a large fraction of my searches): - definition of a word - lyrics of a song - summary of a movie - phone number and/or address of a business - distance between places - unit or currency conversions - weather I have no desire to "click through" to anything. I want my piece of…
To me, AMP is the same wallet garden that Facebook is. Google and Facebook both say: "Give us your content. But without the crap. Just the content. Since we don't allow crap, users prefer the experience over here. So your content will have more readers then on your own domain.". And for some reason publishers are crazy enough to do that. Instead of removing the crap on their own domains in the first place.
you are forced to login to FB, is the same true with AMP?