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I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by K0nserv »

zaphar wrote: post #79
p49k wrote: post #35

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In my opinion, the reason it makes the web less free and open is because Google has a de-facto monopoly on search and they're abusing it to force you host your content on their domain and to use proprietary technology in order to receive fair placement in their results. In the past, Google said "we will prioritize search results by load speed." That's completely fair and a move I can applaud – it points out a serious…

As I understand it Google has stated it does not penalize or boost AMP pages. Do you have evidence to support this accusation?

As pointed out in the article only AMP results get placed in the carousel at the top of the search results. That's definitely an example of boosting AMP. They could generate carousel entries for non-AMP pages with og:title and og:image just fine so there's not a compelling technical reason.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by AznHisoka »

josteink wrote: post #71
AznHisoka wrote: post #13

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AMP does not seem like a walled garden tech. any crawler can find and use the AMP version of a page through this tag: " rel="nofollow">https://www.example.com/url/to/amp/document.html"> Thus all google is doing is rewarding sites that have implemented this and as a result load fast, no? imo, its drastically different to Instant Articles because you can never ever find the Instant Articles version of a web page. its p…

> AMP does not seem like a walled garden tech. any crawler can find and use the AMP version of a page through this tag So "any crawler" who is willing to slavishly follow whatever Google is currently doing, and currently doing in the open (who knows how long that will last), can technically get access to the same content so it's not a "walled garden". To me it sounds like Google doing yet another non-standard thing w…

So lets say AMP was not invented. Web pages have been notoriously slow on mobile for a decade. Where is this open standard to make pages lod faster? where is W3 or Mozilla? Its been a decade. if there was a competituve open standard I would be against AMP but there isnt.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by josteink »

AznHisoka wrote: post #82
josteink wrote: post #71

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> AMP does not seem like a walled garden tech. any crawler can find and use the AMP version of a page through this tag So "any crawler" who is willing to slavishly follow whatever Google is currently doing, and currently doing in the open (who knows how long that will last), can technically get access to the same content so it's not a "walled garden". To me it sounds like Google doing yet another non-standard thing w…

So lets say AMP was not invented. Web pages have been notoriously slow on mobile for a decade. Where is this open standard to make pages lod faster? where is W3 or Mozilla? Its been a decade. if there was a competituve open standard I would be against AMP but there isnt.

> Where is this open standard to make pages lod faster?

Not filling a page of what is effectively 80KB static text-content with 20MBs of JS, fonts, tracking-code and other "assets" would be a good start.

The web isn't slow. People deliberately create slow web-pages because they care more about user-tracking and "fancy" technology than they care about user-experience.

And making Google a pre-requisite for any web-page is NOT the solution to that problem. That's the wrong way around. We need less tracking. Less JS. Less Google.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by tdy721 »

jononor wrote: post #76
jacquesm wrote: post #55

Why would anybody enable it to begin with? There is absolutely no reason for sites such as the one linked here to have AMP enabled. It's a pox on the web and Google has enough power as it is. The sooner AMP dies the better. If you want your site to load faster get rid of the cruft .

Because Google promises you higher ranking in search results...

However, this is still true if you get rid of the cruft

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by runn1ng »

yoz-y wrote: post #26
runn1ng wrote: post #20

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AMP sites still look better. I am using this simple extension that shows me when a website has AMP version and I switch to it (not sure if there is an extension that does this automatically). Doesn't work 100% though https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/amplifier-ampcanon... edit: oh, this one seems to do it automatically. Nice https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/%E2%9A%A1%EF%B8%8F...

The problem that the tech to make any page look like an amp page existed long before amp. But Google, rather than heavily penalising heavy websites decided to push AMP. They could have just pushed for normal HTML but no, now everybody has to write two versions of the pages. (Granted, à cms can handle generating AMP alongside RSS and so on)

Yeah, everyone can do non-bloated websites that load fast and look good, but nobody does. Market doesn't value those? I don't know.

AMP is a good idea, unfortunately it needs strong actors like Google or Twitter to push it.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by tdy721 »

Klathmon wrote: post #65
torrent-of-ions wrote: post #24

In the 90s web pages loaded instantly. Now we have faster computers and faster networks, but apparently we need something like AMP to make the web fast. We have regressed.

Those are some extremely rose colored glasses you are wearing if you think web pages loaded instantly in the 90's I remember using the web on a 56k modem (which was pretty damn fast!) and waiting 30+ seconds for pages to fully load.

The text was still fast. And I NEVER saw had the text disappear for a second while the page updated the font... The text was still fast, and the developers assumed you had a crappy modem in at least 80% of cases. The web is getting slower.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by mpclark »

jacquesm wrote: post #66
thesagan wrote: post #56

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AMP is pretty much mandatory. If you don't do it you're "left behind."

Unless everybody drops it. These Google incited arms races in the end help nobody but Google, it's a web scale version of the prisoners dilemma.

Agreed. We dropped AMP on nfcworld.com last month. Too much like building a business on somebody else's platform, and by now we all know where that ends up.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by lallysingh »

AznHisoka wrote: post #78
kuschku wrote: post #64

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AMP has the wall. Can I get the same display in the Google Search with or without AMP? No. That’s the wall.

Can you elaborate? sites that dont implement AMP still appear in google news and even above AMP results as far as I can tell

Try regular google search, instead of news.
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