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I think you're pretty courageous, much more than I am, as the potential backlash could result in your startup failing.
Would you rather invest in a start-up led by a non-courageous founder?
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This is not the first time I've heard somebody try to fly the lame excuse that they're not guilty of doing something they actually did, because they were too stupid to know it was illegal. https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/republicans-emergin...
> the lame excuse that they're not guilty That's not what they said at all. > > That seems like a reasonable distinction to make, though both can have the same moral fault and/or commit the same crime ; motivation is important when we look towards someone's character . Stop rounding people to stereotypes.
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According to the accounts I have read (that have not been upheld in a court of law "beyond all reasonable doubt" or whatever the standard for these things is), this man was definitely in the wrong and had to be stopped. I applaud those women who selflessly put their names out there to stop him. However, it seems to me, as a non-American, that the US is pretty hysterical on this topic. Humans make each other uncomfort…
I actually know one of the women in the article quiet well, and used to be friends. She groped my boyfriend which I witnessed but she didn't see me standing there. The man complained to me immediately after the event, she later said he groped her and warned me about him. I was standing there and this is man I was with for years and parted way amicably. Since there are a lot of complaints, I assume this guy in the art…
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> This is where professionalism and propriety come in. One's behavior should simply be well outside the gray area and straying into it should, itself, be grounds for confrontation. That doesn't actually fix anything, you're just defining the gray area to be further to one side. If people actually did that then expectations would change and more innocuous behavior would fall into the gray area, requiring you to move t…
I don't mean that we should change the laws, so that the former grey area becomes the new illegal area; but rather that we should have a stricter attitude about the grey area. Sometimes people's attitude about these things is that, they acknowledge they are wrong, but since nothing illegal happened, they won't say or do anything. That's the grey area I'm talking about -- where there is broad acknowledgement that some…
That is the theory everyone refers to when they're trying to justify imposing harsh penalties.
Have you read the laws that Congress actually passes? It would be nice if they actually lived up to that standard.
And you can't get out of the problem by appealing to a reputational shadow enforcement system. If reputational harm wasn't real or powerful then no one would be interested in imposing it. Imposing real penalties with a weak standard of proof on marginal behavior is equally problematic regardless of whether the penalties are formally imposed by the state. And today's attitudes become tomorrow's laws.
Gray areas are gray because they contain both baby and bathwater.
If something is clearly wrong it's easy to make it illegal (and it almost always already is), and if it isn't clearly wrong then we don't have any special knowledge the state lacks that allows us to mete out penalties in borderline cases without punishing good people.
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Not taking no for an answer is sexual harassment, if it makes the person on the receiving end uncomfortable.
Women who don't say "no" for the first time are widely considered low-moral, not to mention that the first approach may be unexpected for her, so timeout is needed. And men who can truly see whether she's really uncomfortable or just playing well-known game can be counted on fingers. It seems that this rule, as you state it, leaves no legal room for regular, not very confident or skilled people to "interact".
There is no "low morality" in a woman accepting an invitation to go on a date even in the most hidebound parts of the United States. But that's not what you mean. You don't mean "interact". You mean "screw". That you're conflating the idea of "regular, not very confident or skilled people" interacting with women with its very small subset, screwing, is telling as to your worldview and how you regard the women under discussion.
You should stop digging.
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In our present culture, men rarely report sexual harassment or domestic violence, believing (correctly) that they won't be believed or will be expected to endure (or enjoy) it. And direct confrontation often leads to male victims being charged.
I disagree, and think that what's more illuminating is what happens if they DO report it, and the tone of which they report it. Of which this is not very far off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6uvv1aS5_I
Men do tend to hide it when they are the victims. There is substantial evidence that male victims of sexual assault have an even harder time coping in the aftermath than women, in part because it is seen as emasculating and they face bigger challenges than women in getting some kind of meaningful support if they try to tell anyone.
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or they do so because they've gotten seriously tired of the unfairness of it all. When everything becomes sexual harassment, how can you trust accusations of sexual harassment? It's like when people use the word violence to describe words, or call it rape when a man says something they don't like. How can you trust the allegations in that sort of an environment? It makes those of us who are a bit more moderate start…
"Everything" hasn't become sexual harassment. I've dated coworkers. I have been rebuffed by coworkers. I have even been under the impression that a coworker might be into me who was not. And--somehow--I have not been accused of sexual harassment. Maybe because I am respectful in my approach, cut it out if it's not appreciated, and never persist past being rebuffed. The "misunderstandings" about which you wring your h…
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Unfortunately the majority of these individuals haven't actualized that things in life aren't completely binary and attempt to apply a binary algorithm to solve non-binary problems.
According to the accounts I have read (that have not been upheld in a court of law "beyond all reasonable doubt" or whatever the standard for these things is), this man was definitely in the wrong and had to be stopped. I applaud those women who selflessly put their names out there to stop him. However, it seems to me, as a non-American, that the US is pretty hysterical on this topic. Humans make each other uncomfort…
And you can't ask for balance and fairness in the discussion without being told you're pro-rape or part of the problem.
No one is pro-rape, but the things being labeled as rape right now are outlandish. Rape is a violent act, it's not some jackass standing on a corner cat-calling you.
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that's still not sexual harassment, there are plenty of stories of men chasing women and eventually marrying them. human sexuality isn't that cut and dried.
I think you're talking about something different to the main thread here. Most people here are talking about a professional context where there is a significant power imbalance between the parties. Context is important.
yes, technically you could consider rape to be an 'unwanted advance', but no reasonable person would ever characterize it as so. The very fact that it's characterized as an unwanted advance tells you it's not sexual harassment, it's just someone chasing another person.
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According to the accounts I have read (that have not been upheld in a court of law "beyond all reasonable doubt" or whatever the standard for these things is), this man was definitely in the wrong and had to be stopped. I applaud those women who selflessly put their names out there to stop him. However, it seems to me, as a non-American, that the US is pretty hysterical on this topic. Humans make each other uncomfort…
I for one can't wait for it to pass. We have people running around calling words violence, catcalling rape, and normal human sexuality sexual harassment. And you can't ask for balance and fairness in the discussion without being told you're pro-rape or part of the problem. No one is pro-rape, but the things being labeled as rape right now are outlandish. Rape is a violent act, it's not some jackass standing on a corn…
Do you have any examples? (I'd prefer some with links, please).