Huh what a lie! I hope people do not believe these tax liars.
Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
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#422Liars liars and one more times LIARS!!!
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#423"Liars liars liars" somebody is talking the truth. I hope people would stop bowing to these corporations! Corporations that specialised to avoid taxes!
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#424Please use any other email service, you get much less hassle!
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#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
That directive might be related to what's happening. But let's not be naive: if Google will stop reading our emails in order to send us personalized ads, that's because it doesn't really need to. People share just enough outside their email environment for Google to do its thing. Another sign of which those worrying about privacy should be aware.
Or, maybe: the extra information gleaned from reading your emails is just not that valuable. Not because they have this via other means, but its just not that valuable, period - whether it comes from reading emails or scrutinizing your browser history. We like to imagine that if advertisers knew enough about us, they'd be able to direct our spending, but I think that is far from true.
The corporate profile they have on the company I work for must go into unthinkable detail. If they were announcing no tracking for work accounts across their entire suite of products, this would be a big deal.
As it is, they're presumably still reading our gdocs, address books, calendars, hangouts, search histories and broswing histories, and geolocations/third party app usage for all the android users. Email data is white noise compared to this.
I'd wonder how IT could be so stupid to put up with this if Microsoft hadn't also made pervasive surveillance mandatory.
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#426Title is misleading, it should be G will keep reading your emails except for G Ads.
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#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
> as I said, government intrusion can't be defended as is. yes it can. zero-knowledge encryption is already a thing. > Name one web technology that is government intrusion proof. Apparently the iPhone is. pgp encryption is another one. I'd suggest brushing up on basic security before saying things like that. > "invasions of privacy" is not a use case. Why not? > By whom? By anyone that I don't authorize. Sure, that c…
> Apparently the iPhone is If you are referring to the San Bernardino phone thingy, the FBI withdrew the request exactly because they did access the phone by themselves. It just cost more money. > pgp encryption is another one lol. Isn't there tons of reports claiming that PGP leaks too much metadata? And that the NSA is collecting those? And that there's no reasonable way to use PGP without leaking those (like hidde…
> the FBI withdrew the request exactly because they did access the phone by themselves
As far as I saw, that was just speculation. Any source on that? I'm inclined to believe it, but if true: why do they want the encryption removed rather than just snooping that data on the sly? It's better if your victims think they are secure.
> lol. Isn't there tons of reports claiming that PGP leaks too much metadata? And that the NSA is collecting those? And that there's no reasonable way to use PGP without leaking those (like hidden-sender whatever).
Possibly. But if so, I haven't seen them. Sources please.
While meta-data is absolutely useful, contents are even more useful. Just because something has one security issue doens't mean that we should give up security altogether.
> Because I want specifics
What specifics? Do you want me to make up a story about how someone could use information to attack someone else? or to use existing examples: http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/04/world/americas/silk-road-ross-... https://cpj.org/blog/2017/06/how-surveillance-trolls-and-fea... These are just 2 examples I pulled from a 5 minute search.
This isn't anything new. Having access to communication is pretty much the basis for espionage. If you don't see how that applies.... I'm not sure I can help you.
> legal government related. In which case Google can't (and won't) protect you
That's my point. They can protect you, they choose not to. Zero-knowledge encryption is still a thing. Just because Google doesn't use it doesn't mean it's not possible.
> non-government related. In which case you are better protected with gmail than most things you can reasonably do. Ask Hillary Clinton. :)
Only if Google can't access that data. If they can, it's much easier to bypass encryption and just ask Google to hand it over. Google can solve this problem but chooses not to.
> Where did I say we shouldn't ensure privacy/security?
When you say that gmail should be trusted. There are clear privacy/security holes with their model that you are ignoring. That's what this whole discussion is about.
> What I'm refuting is your claim that "it's bullshit because it failed once"
A) It didn't just fail once.
B) Failing just once proves that the system is not secure, and needs to be fixed. Failing multiple times from the same attack vector proves that they aren't taking security/privacy seriously, because they won't fix the root problem.
> Most things in your life fail more often than that
... so? Whether thing A fails more often than thing B has no bearing on whether thing B can and will fail.
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#428I know I shouldn't be surprised, but it seems weird that the reporter nor any of the 140+ comments so far seemingly don't mention the recently published proposal for a new ePrivacy directive in the EU that will make it a lot harder for Google to scan e-mails in the first place. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-privacy-idUSKBN14U1FL https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/10/whatsapp-... http://www.kempli…
The industry at large and Apple in particular is coming at them from the other direction preferring premium, furthering ad blockers and offering better privacy defaults (iOS 11). Elon Musk has gone so far as to allude that Google is the only AI company that worries him[1]. And so it goes. Coupled with AI and the amount of data they are able to feed into the AI engines, I am guessing this won't regress their ad target…
Apple does seem to be paying more than lip service to privacy. Are there any other examples?
Microsoft's "premium" push is actually moving toward more invasive surveillance.
They've been ramping up the marketing doublespeak about their "telemetry" in the last 12 months. Maybe that is a sign they'll back off sometime soon, but so far, it's "Full steam ahead, users be damned."
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#429I very recently switched to fastmail and couldn't be happier. For $90 a year, I don't have to deal with people snooping and tracking me around for ads. I know google is trying to give me value with all their facial recognition and recommendations, but I don't think it is going to end well. When it does end badly, it will be too late for the user because we would've given up all the data. I don't want Google to build…
We are using fastmail as well, and it is great. They have a solution for every weird mail-problem we tried to solve, i.e. shared inbox folders, shared calendars and integration with "dump" client applications. For example your username might differ in order to access a shared calendar. Also you can generate application passwords for an account. So you can create an SMTP-only application password for your fastmail acc…
I used Fastmail until I found that they have a hardcoded limit of 128 IMAP flags per mailbox. I switched to G Suite - they have no such limitation.
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#430I think I've become jaded because I just don't believe it. It's like Google Home. A wonderful device but when I heard it may start listening to everything I say... I just figured yeah, that should be expected. So now I just expect Google to read, listen, and analyze everything I do with their products.
Maybe I don't understand google home because I don't have one, but to be able to detect whatever keywords cause it to listen to you doesn't it have to listen to everything you say? I feel like any device that has a microphone is suspect if you want total privacy, but listening to what you say seems like an integral part of the device. You can only hope (and independently verify) that they don't store everything you s…
It's my understanding that there's a low power, always-on service listening for stuff like "Alexa"/"OK Google", and only when it hears a keyword does it start "listening" and sending data back for parsing/processing.
I could be wrong and/or they could be lying about how the product really works. Could probably monitor your network traffic if you really wanted to find out.