But they'll most likely read them for another purpose, for example training their AI.
Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Google stores this forever and they'll say "Ah, we know this guy was talking about marriage 10 years ago; traditionally, marriages fail after 5 years, we've detected a tense tone in his mails to his wife, BEEP BOP BOOP, DIVORCE LAWYER AD IS RELEVANT". Have you actually seen anything like this? In my experience the ad targeting seems like extremely shallow keyword analysis.
This gets to the heart of how divisions inside a company justify their budget and where human self-preservation kicks in. For e.g. A lawyer inside the company HAS to be on the lookout for supposed infringements of IP or situations where their "expertise" is required. The idea is that once you have any apparatus in place, and funds allocated to the maintenance/operation there of, you will find that people come up with…
Of course its trivial to steal data if you're on the inside. Snowden could copy classified docs onto a USB stick and smuggle them out of a fucking NSA office. If I were to plug in a USB drive at work, no one would bat an eye. They'd probably think it's for Time Machine.
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#233I very recently switched to fastmail and couldn't be happier. For $90 a year, I don't have to deal with people snooping and tracking me around for ads. I know google is trying to give me value with all their facial recognition and recommendations, but I don't think it is going to end well. When it does end badly, it will be too late for the user because we would've given up all the data. I don't want Google to build…
> 90$ a year
Sounds excessive. Does this include any special features beyond privacy? I pay 1€ per month for a privacy-respecting mailbox at posteo.de
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's true in the sense that having no ads at all would be better; but if you're going to be seeing ads either way, why wouldn't you want them to be ads for things relevant to your interests?
Why would I be seeing ads either way? I generally don't see them at all.
Whether you block ads or not is kinda beside the point. It's a little unreasonable to expect Google or anyone else to stop personalizing the ads they're trying to serve you just based on the fact that you're blocking them.
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I don't understand why seeing an ad is so bad. So a sleazy salesman is more annoying because they are in your way. But if you're going to see ads anyway, I'd rather they be relevant!! Can soemone explain why given that there will be ads either way they actually prefer irrelevant ads?
> I'd rather they be relevant Corollary: if you can't show a relevant ad, HOW ABOUT NOT SHOWING AN IRRELEVANT AT ALL?
Actually, it is not a corollary.
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
> data isn't shared with anyone else without my consent Do you have any way of verifying this? I am not accusing google of anything, I just find this to be an interesting level of trust to have with a free online service.
Google is a large, generally reputable company which has very little to gain and everything to lose by sharing my personal information with others in violation of their own privacy policy. In the absence of any evidence that they _are_ sharing my private information with others, I see no reason not to trust them in this regard.
I use GMail for similar reasons, they are reputable, but I have no expectation they won't share my data once it makes financial sense.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's more like your accountant preparing your tax return for free in exchange for aggregating data about your receipts and offering you goods and services you may be interested in.
Let's split the difference. It's like your accountant preparing your tax return in exchange for using that tax return to develop a model of your spending habits. The value of this model is more than the cost of them doing your tax returns, and in fact is such that if you were simply to collect that data yourself, sell it on the open market, and spend a portion of the proceeds on the tax prep service, you would end up…
I think this EXACT thing is what Credit Karma is doing with free tax returns:
Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
#238I very recently switched to fastmail and couldn't be happier. For $90 a year, I don't have to deal with people snooping and tracking me around for ads. I know google is trying to give me value with all their facial recognition and recommendations, but I don't think it is going to end well. When it does end badly, it will be too late for the user because we would've given up all the data. I don't want Google to build…
Is there any reason not to go with ProtonMail? They seem to be the big recommendation lately for encrypted email service.
I'd really love to support ProtonMail but one thing I can't swallow is that there's no server-side search of email bodies (only to/from & subject) because it's encrypted. This kills the possibility of searching through years of newsletters & stuff :/
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would you search your inbox? Or filter spam?
https://protonmail.com/blog/encrypted-email-spam-filtering/ I remember there was a recent paper that dealt with this, too, but I can't find it right now. But it basically demolished this argument that it's impossible to stop spam if the email is encrypted.
WhatsApp also had a session at F8 about e2ee spam filtering...
https://developers.facebook.com/videos/f8-2017/how-whatsapp-...
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there any reason not to go with ProtonMail? They seem to be the big recommendation lately for encrypted email service.
I'd really love to support ProtonMail but one thing I can't swallow is that there's no server-side search of email bodies (only to/from & subject) because it's encrypted. This kills the possibility of searching through years of newsletters & stuff :/
You will be able to use the upcoming ProtonMail IMAP/SMTP bridge to do fulltext search locally.