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Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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This most likely is a pragmatic financial decision. Contextual advertising is generating a lower CPM than data/person based advertising.

Said differently the relevance that can be extracted from your specific email is less than the cumulative knowledge that Google has about you from other sources.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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how are you sure that fastmail is secure and they aren't using ur data to build models ? because there is an annual subscription or they advertise it so ?

They advertise it as such. From their privacy policy: "Incoming messages are scanned for the purpose of spam detection unless you disable spam protection for your account... To make message searching fast, we build an index of your messages (this is a table, just like you would find at the back of a reference book, in which you can look up a word to quickly find the emails in which it appears). No information from an…

Is it generally possible to reconstruct email(=text) with indicies if they are stolen/hacked ?

Although Im not questioning fastmail ability to provide secured email service. Yet I cannot help think why I would rely on a small player for email. I would ask what is the probability of fastmail service getting hacked say compared to gmail.

(Somebody has right pointed out that ) Ad relevance to your email is not same as reading - thinking in same vein should also lead us to believe even (spam) classification can be termed as reading.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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https://gsuite.google.com/products/gmail/ About $60 a year I have about 8 accounts that I use.

It says it's exempt from ads in this specific context, but is it actually free of their data mining? If they still use the data to track and push whatever they're selling you in other contexts, the presence of the ads themselves is an ancillary concern.

From the G Cloud FAQ [0]:

> Google Cloud does not scan your data or email in G Suite Services for advertising purposes. Our automated systems scan and index your data to provide you with your services and to protect your data, such as to perform spam and malware detection, to sort email for features like Priority Inbox and to return fast, powerful search results when users search for information in their accounts. The situation is different for our free offerings and the consumer space.

[0] https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650?hl=en

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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I disagree with you, but from the perspective that my email contains the history of every transaction I have ever made, all of the newsletters I sign up to, and, for another 3 days, ~50% of my conversations, since I do a good chunk of my communicating over gChat. Consumer preferences change over time, so google is far more interested in the thing I bought yesterday than the thing I bought 4 months ago, so being able…

Amazon's receipt emails stopped including an itemized breakdown. Perhaps this is for customer privacy or perhaps so Google can no longer scrape Gmail users' purchase histories.

True, but seeing as I often order one thing or two at a time, the email subject line from Amazon still gives away the goods

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Right, I read it. But it's still not actually clear to me whether they are ceasing ALL mining of email data for business accounts, or are just not funneling it to a specific set of ad programs. To me, at least, that seems an important point of clarification.

They're not ceasing it for business accounts, they've never done it for business accounts. The article is about free Gmail accounts. If you look at the terms for G Suite (the paid business product), that is a top selling point. Businesses who pay for G Suite don't want Google using their data for anything , and Google complies. Edit: in response to comment below, here are the main docs describing, including the Data…

I'm really not trying to be pedantic, but that's not what the article says. It says that Google never data-mined business accounts to serve ads, not that they never data-mine business accounts under any circumstances. If that's true, and you can point to marketing or a service agreement that outlines these terms, I'd be happy to know and will gladly buy a paid account.

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I think these are the terms and I don't seem to see this guarantee, but IANAL

https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_in/terms/2013/1/premier_te...

https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en-GB/terms/emea_reseller_pre...

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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I don't understand why there isn't an option for me to pay for Google to remove ads from gmail. I've already paid for Youtube Red and couldn't be happier.

https://gsuite.google.com/products/gmail/ About $60 a year I have about 8 accounts that I use.

I have one for myself, and one for my wife, and find the $120/year a hefty price to pay for...email. It doesn't even include the registration of my personal domain, and it doesn't include web hosting. Google Apps is pretty nice, and it feels good to be paying for the product instead of being the product - though I am skeptical that my $10/month would let me talk to a human if something went wrong.

I'm considering moving; Rackspace has pretty good hosted email for $2/user/month. We use it at work - webmail is acceptable though nothing to write home about, and their IMAP implementation is solid so you can just use a client.

But you pay $480/year for 8 email addresses? Ouch.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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And how exactly will I escape Google's data collection when Fastmail uses GA for analytics? ....script type="text/javascript" src="/static/scripts/ga.js....

Run a broad-spectrum blocker like uBlock Origin? Access your fastmail from an interface other than their web interface?

Ok so there is more involved than just use Fastmail, as it was suggested. Thanks for confirming.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Big companies can't hide this stuff forever, you can eventually figure out, it is just better business-wise for them to just state they read your emails for ads, it can cost them a lot if they don't, plus most people don't really care. A few weeks ago a friend and I were talking exclusively through WhatsApp about a trip to London(in Portuguese with our very unusual jargon), I didn't do any search for anything related…

WhatsApp doesn't read your conversations for ads because it can't. Message content is end-to-end encrypted. You must have leaked your plans through some other medium inadvertently.

This is called retargeting and is even worse from a privacy perspective: now your data is going through multiple layers of ad buying tools, analytics, ad exchanges, aggregators, ad networks, etc.: http://2bd2y2367xnj3kpntjsifzmf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-c...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_retargeting

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